Hi, shortly my99 classic u.k turbo should be running a little over 300bhp with the help of a vf35 turbo walbro fuel pump and remap.

ive never really been a fan of fmic's and have tried to deny the their existance for most of my life now as i dont really want to cut away at my bumper and apparently will have to remove my nice pipercross panel filter and replace it with a cone filter coz the pipework gets in the way!

So My question is- is it really necessary to have a fmic? what are the main gains as apposed to simply getting a larger top mount?

any help appreciated

 

at your BHP target you could try putting an STi8 TMIC on.

 

Not at that power level. A newage TMIC will do you fine.

 

It depends what you use your car for, if its for normal/spirited road use then no.
If you plan on doing lots of track days or prolonged high speeds maybe, depending on whether you plan on more upgrades.

Flat4 (kev) has done some testing with a temp probe with his car running 300-350bhp and showed no 'dangerous' intake temps.

I have read (although don't know of anyone thats tested it) that above 100mph the standard scoop becomes much less effective.


HTH
Dill

 

Dont really do a lot prolonged high speed driving or track days, but do like to take her out for some blasts through the countryside every now and then!

A guy has told me i may get a little more power by runnung a fmic with these mods. is there any truth in that?

basically a mate of mine has got exactly the same car as mine and his got 319bhp on the rolling road! his mods include td05 16g turbo remap fuel pump de-cat exhaust and fmic (+ a couple of other small things)
Im really looking to beat his figure to stop the b@st@rd bragging!!

 

The WRC at GoodWood today didn't have a FMIC ......

 

Andy F, hasn`t got a fmic..

So is it just bhp bragging rights you`re after then scoobykev??

 

So is it just bhp bragging rights you`re after then scoobykev??[/QUOTE]

No Honest
Ive been wanting a big power gain for a while now (plus the fact it will shut him up)

 

No Honest
Ive been wanting a big power gain for a while now (plus the fact it will shut him up)[/QUOTE]

It`s up to you mate really, i`m having one fitted next week to mine, mines at 331 bhp, i`m having one basically cus i`m having a forged build in the winter so i`ll need one, people say they make the car a bit laggier, but if you choose a good mapper it`s HARDLY noticable...

 

So what mods have you got done to yours to reach that figure?

 

View my scooby, it`s all in the mapping...

 

Im taking mine to Zen Performance in northhampton, ive heard there good.
what exactly is a tek 3 re-map?

 

Zen Performance are VERY good, you won`t be dissapointed....

 

Just what i wanted to hear

I'll be off now coz this keyboard is looking more and more like a pillow

cheers for the help mate.

 

Well the new Type-25 with upto 450bhp runs a TMIC.

 

The old Legacy top mount chargecooler is good to 400bhp, or there is the Pace combi charge/intercooler (pricey though!) if your dead set against FMIC's.

It doesn't really matter what power you want/are at, better chargecooling will give more power (and sustainably) than on the limit cooling, hence having a CAI and TMIC tilts etc etc are worth while, not to mention isolating the header tank from the manifold or manifold from head etc - and most of that is very inexpensive!

Simon.

 

It`s up to you mate really, i`m having one fitted next week to mine, mines at 331 bhp, i`m having one basically cus i`m having a forged build in the winter so i`ll need one, people say they make the car a bit laggier, but if you choose a good mapper it`s HARDLY noticable...[/QUOTE]

^^^^^
What he said, mines pretty modestly powered compared to alot of cars but its the way its delivered, hardly any lag at all, Zen all the way

 

I doubt that very much............

 

I was surprised when I saw that, I guess it depends on the tune and other things. but personally I'd go FMIC above 400

 

A few things spring to mind from the above thread. Firstly I HAVE tested the scoop at high speed and can confirm that it is NOT a problem at over 100mph. The faster you go, the better it works, simple as that. That's on a v4 classic.

Secondly, I had a VF35, mapped by Zen on a Power FC for 1.4 bar and because of the small v4 TMIC, timing had to be pulled because the TMIC couldn't sustain a decent charge temp. A long through the gears run would see very high charge temps which were no good for power. Changing to a FMIC meant 4 degrees of advance could be added under full 1.4 bar boost, and it definitely felt a lot faster. Coupled to that is the confidence that you can keep your foot down pretty much forever without worrying about it, which you don't have with a TMIC.

Saying all that, if I was to do it all again, I'd probably do an STi8 TMIC conversion if it was cheap enough to be worth the hassle incl. the bigger scoop, messing around with the undertray, moving the clutch cylinder, fabbing up new mounts, having the TMIC hanging directly over the hot turbo at standstill etc. At present I don't think it's cheap enough a conversion to be worth the hassle and I'd still stick with the £200 FMIC which does its job perfectly.

Just be careful that you don't use a big bore silicone inlet pipe with the VF35, you'll run into surge problems like I have when adding a bigger TMIC or FMIC.

 

Thanks for all your help people,

ive done what i thought i'd never do and purchased a fmic

Its a brand new autobahn 88 (are these ang good )

How hard are they to fit? and how long roughly do think it would take?

 

SEAT Turbo cars come with FMIC as standard.

 

I took mine to Zen and let Paul worry about it

I've seen a thread stating that they'd (one person) fitted it in an afternoon, but seen more with several people helping having difficulties, getting it to fit.

If you have the garage space or don't need your car so that it doesn't matter if you don't finish it in a day, I'd say have a crack yourself.

 

Who gives a f*ck

Tony.

 

well its just confusing. Subaru has been copying SEAT styling for its models, so im just wondering why they never copied the fact that SEAT's have FMIC!

 

Maybe because the cars have totally different engine layouts... the style of a headlight and grille won't dictate where an intercooler goes genius.

Tony.

 

I know that, yet still subaru insist of planting the intercooler ontop of the engine. Its not hard to have it front mounted.

 

Got the Autobahn FMIC on my car. Took me and one of my mates a weekend to fit, but I think if you have all the necessary silicon pipes it could be done in a day.

See KIP's thread in projects for a very comprehensive fitting guide.

Also, if your car is a daily driver, make sure you've got everything needed before you start pulling things to bits.

 

Because on a road car there is no reason to have it front mounted, does the job required where it is and the packaging is very neat. If it needed to be front mounted for a production subaru it would have been.... i think the design engineers maybe slightly more clue up than you.

But back to the topic in hand now hey....

Tony.

 

It does the job just about, otherwise the scooby wouldnt have intercooler spray, and people wouldnt need to upgrade to a FMIC.

In really hot countries the scooby powers wane with enthusiastic driving due to heatsoak