The myth about high servicing with an Evo compared to a Subaru.
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I am not stating a Subaru v Evo thread as thats not what this one is about as i am a fan of both brands, its just i have seen a couple of posts on here of late where people have been thinking of changing to an Evo and then someone has come along and said basically don`t do it because the Evo costs more to run.
I disagree that that 100%, ive owned both and Impreza and the Evo and in my opinion their is virtually no difference at all in the general running costs apart from the Evo seemed to use a bit more fuel which was compared to driving both cars in a similar way on the same roads.
The general wear and tear items are a similar price to replace like pads,discs,tryes and fluids etc, obviously the Evo has the AYC fluid that needs to be changed but thats not really of any great cost.
Ive had servicing work done at both the main dealers and they were very similar in cost, i also had servicing done at specialist non main dealer companies and again the costs were very similar.
Both brands are fantastic cars and they are both very different driving experiences, i would deffinatley recommend that any subaru owner who hasn`t driven an Evo yet shouldn`t be put off by the myth that an Evo is far more expensive to run and that they should own one at some point.
The only real difference like i mentioned above is that on an Evo the AYC needs to be serviced but that is hardly wallet breaking to have the fluid replaced, the AYC unit was very reliable as well and i never had one problem with it.
I disagree that that 100%, ive owned both and Impreza and the Evo and in my opinion their is virtually no difference at all in the general running costs apart from the Evo seemed to use a bit more fuel which was compared to driving both cars in a similar way on the same roads.
The general wear and tear items are a similar price to replace like pads,discs,tryes and fluids etc, obviously the Evo has the AYC fluid that needs to be changed but thats not really of any great cost.
Ive had servicing work done at both the main dealers and they were very similar in cost, i also had servicing done at specialist non main dealer companies and again the costs were very similar.
Both brands are fantastic cars and they are both very different driving experiences, i would deffinatley recommend that any subaru owner who hasn`t driven an Evo yet shouldn`t be put off by the myth that an Evo is far more expensive to run and that they should own one at some point.
The only real difference like i mentioned above is that on an Evo the AYC needs to be serviced but that is hardly wallet breaking to have the fluid replaced, the AYC unit was very reliable as well and i never had one problem with it.
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Links to myth on this site please? (Within the last week - maybe stretching to last month)
BTW, Clio 172 sports are quicker than both Subaru's and Evo's according to a guy who's brought one in the pub earlier.
- And his had been demapped to 230BHP (no typo)
BTW, Clio 172 sports are quicker than both Subaru's and Evo's according to a guy who's brought one in the pub earlier.
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My '05 STI needed a service every 5k ![Frown](https://www.scoobynet.com/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Historically the Evo has always tended to be more powerful, more expensive and ultimately quicker than the same year's Impreza - your pays your money...
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Historically the Evo has always tended to be more powerful, more expensive and ultimately quicker than the same year's Impreza - your pays your money...
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wow every 5k - is that what the service book says. My 02 wrx every 10k or 12 months.......
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Dunno, it was all in Japanese ![Big Grin](https://www.scoobynet.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
IIRC it's new shape cars with DCCD that have the 5k service intervals. Getting 300bhp as standard from a 2 litre engine must be pretty hard on the oil.
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IIRC it's new shape cars with DCCD that have the 5k service intervals. Getting 300bhp as standard from a 2 litre engine must be pretty hard on the oil.
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I am not stating a Subaru v Evo thread as thats not what this one is about as i am a fan of both brands, its just i have seen a couple of posts on here of late where people have been thinking of changing to an Evo and then someone has come along and said basically don`t do it because the Evo costs more to run.
I disagree that that 100%, ive owned both and Impreza and the Evo and in my opinion their is virtually no difference at all in the general running costs apart from the Evo seemed to use a bit more fuel which was compared to driving both cars in a similar way on the same roads.
The general wear and tear items are a similar price to replace like pads,discs,tryes and fluids etc, obviously the Evo has the AYC fluid that needs to be changed but thats not really of any great cost.
Ive had servicing work done at both the main dealers and they were very similar in cost, i also had servicing done at specialist non main dealer companies and again the costs were very similar.
Both brands are fantastic cars and they are both very different driving experiences, i would deffinatley recommend that any subaru owner who hasn`t driven an Evo yet shouldn`t be put off by the myth that an Evo is far more expensive to run and that they should own one at some point.
The only real difference like i mentioned above is that on an Evo the AYC needs to be serviced but that is hardly wallet breaking to have the fluid replaced, the AYC unit was very reliable as well and i never had one problem with it.
I disagree that that 100%, ive owned both and Impreza and the Evo and in my opinion their is virtually no difference at all in the general running costs apart from the Evo seemed to use a bit more fuel which was compared to driving both cars in a similar way on the same roads.
The general wear and tear items are a similar price to replace like pads,discs,tryes and fluids etc, obviously the Evo has the AYC fluid that needs to be changed but thats not really of any great cost.
Ive had servicing work done at both the main dealers and they were very similar in cost, i also had servicing done at specialist non main dealer companies and again the costs were very similar.
Both brands are fantastic cars and they are both very different driving experiences, i would deffinatley recommend that any subaru owner who hasn`t driven an Evo yet shouldn`t be put off by the myth that an Evo is far more expensive to run and that they should own one at some point.
The only real difference like i mentioned above is that on an Evo the AYC needs to be serviced but that is hardly wallet breaking to have the fluid replaced, the AYC unit was very reliable as well and i never had one problem with it.
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I've had both so can comment and my EVO6 was just over a year old and had loads of problems so real world running costs were much more.
I found the mechanics and build quality to be a lot worse than the scooby.
I found the mechanics and build quality to be a lot worse than the scooby.
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some pics of my old Evo 6.
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I must admit theres been 100's of these sort of posts before but to be honest they are both high performance cars and will always be expensive to run.
I didnt consider which car imp/evo would cost more to run in my recent purchase, i considered £ for £ which was better value for money v performance and with my £7k i could only get an older Evo 4 but i could get a newer Impreza Sti type R..... no brainer really.
I didnt consider which car imp/evo would cost more to run in my recent purchase, i considered £ for £ which was better value for money v performance and with my £7k i could only get an older Evo 4 but i could get a newer Impreza Sti type R..... no brainer really.
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yeah but seriously, drive the car as a normal car with some spirited driving and the oil will reach 10k. Now my car is a weekend car only its oil goes black in about the same length of time as it did when i owned the Granturismo 3 version on the playstation.
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My local garage looks after both scoobies and Evos. We are on good terms and I talked to them before purchasing. Their advice was the on average a scoob is cheaper to run due mostly to increased reliability on older cars.
I have no direct experience, so I just though I would add that. They have worked on hundreds/thousands of cars now so they should know something.
I have no direct experience, so I just though I would add that. They have worked on hundreds/thousands of cars now so they should know something.
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Evo's do need serviced every 4.5k and you do have the added need for the AYC oil to be changed and the system bled using the MUT tool at mitsu dealers.
Evo's break down MORE Ive had 3 of them.
Subaru's are better built, more reliable and just as quick if you compare like for like models.
For instance I just sold a minted Evo 5 gsr which was standard, supposedly producing 280 ish bhp, my sti v8 ppp is much faster than it.
The only thing I could criticise on the scooby is the turn in isnt as sharp and they are prone to plow on, but hey its fun countering that.
Evo's break down MORE Ive had 3 of them.
Subaru's are better built, more reliable and just as quick if you compare like for like models.
For instance I just sold a minted Evo 5 gsr which was standard, supposedly producing 280 ish bhp, my sti v8 ppp is much faster than it.
The only thing I could criticise on the scooby is the turn in isnt as sharp and they are prone to plow on, but hey its fun countering that.
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I found the opposite to be honest, the Evo felt more solid and a lot tighter and the interior felt as though it was put together with better quality, the paint seemed better quality as well as i got far less stone chips in the Evo covering the same roads as i did in the Impreza at similar speeds.
some pics of my old Evo 6.
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IIRC it's mainly to change C/diff oil, simular to EVO's AYC.
As my car is there they may as well do both
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Don't the UK's with DCCD (WR1's, STi05 onwards) have to do the same?
As said both EVO and Scoobs are expensive end of
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There is only one thing I will say about Subaru, or Evo with general running expendature.
Go to a specialist or a dealer and YOU WILL pay a premium for the service. Now by that I DO NOT MEAN your paying too much. Your paying for that priviledge and service. And if one is snobbish about using parts that don't carry a name that you fancy (albeit OEM quality), then one will have to pay that premium also.
However, an Impreza and evo are just mass production saloon cars. Their suspension and drivetrain from a routine service aspect is no different to many other cars on the road. Therfore to maintain is no different, barring the frequency of oil changes on older models (or the high bhp FQ Evos ).
Running costs can be kept down: £50 Gates cambelt, £5 oil filter, £30 "R" brake pads. NGK Spark plugs £6 each. It's all possible, and labour shouldn't be excessive either as working on either car is relatively simple (compared to anything French, at least
). Do it yourself and you'll save even more. You just have to be on your toes.
If you sit back and let the dealer or a specialist with high labour rates take all the strain, then costs can mount up.
Although fuel consumption is on par with a LS2 engined Monaro (well ok, a classic Impreza can beat it by 2mpg). And you'll never get away from the insurance trap.
Go to a specialist or a dealer and YOU WILL pay a premium for the service. Now by that I DO NOT MEAN your paying too much. Your paying for that priviledge and service. And if one is snobbish about using parts that don't carry a name that you fancy (albeit OEM quality), then one will have to pay that premium also.
However, an Impreza and evo are just mass production saloon cars. Their suspension and drivetrain from a routine service aspect is no different to many other cars on the road. Therfore to maintain is no different, barring the frequency of oil changes on older models (or the high bhp FQ Evos ).
Running costs can be kept down: £50 Gates cambelt, £5 oil filter, £30 "R" brake pads. NGK Spark plugs £6 each. It's all possible, and labour shouldn't be excessive either as working on either car is relatively simple (compared to anything French, at least
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Although fuel consumption is on par with a LS2 engined Monaro (well ok, a classic Impreza can beat it by 2mpg). And you'll never get away from the insurance trap.
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Keep it simple and to the point please boys.
I've owned both cars so I will use my specific models as examples:
The Evo 7 FQ 300 requires a service every 4500 miles, the Subaru Impreza STi PPP every 10000 miles. So it's quite evident that the Evo is more expensive to run. (Every quality car magazine that have reviewed both Evo's and Impreza's also unanimously agree that the Evo is the more expensive car to run)
Those 4500 mile services are not cheap, not any of them.
I've owned both cars so I will use my specific models as examples:
The Evo 7 FQ 300 requires a service every 4500 miles, the Subaru Impreza STi PPP every 10000 miles. So it's quite evident that the Evo is more expensive to run. (Every quality car magazine that have reviewed both Evo's and Impreza's also unanimously agree that the Evo is the more expensive car to run)
Those 4500 mile services are not cheap, not any of them.
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The way I see it, the Impreza is from the dark ages compared to the EVO, the engine is very basic and so are the ancillaries and transmission (unless DCCD) therefore a damn sight easier to maintain and service.. There are how ever FAR too many garages that charge silly money to service/maintain Impreza's because they can get away with it by making out the Impreza is some kind of complicated performance car plus with the added fact that most people find the flat four daunting to look at (when its actually one of the easiest engines to work on) punters dont blink an eye lid when the bill comes.
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