My Subaru is dead
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My Subaru is dead
this morning on my way to work there was a loud noise from the engine(like some spanners in the washing machine). Before i could pull over the car lost all power and the engine started smoking bad. When the car was off the back of the recovery truck there was a puddle of fresh oil on the trailer. So i am sad to say i am going to sell it.
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It is a 1998/R and was putting in 98.
I have thought all day about it and i want to fix it now. does anyone know any rebuild specilist's and the rough price.
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Rebuilt by a good garage will cost near 3k including recovery. Selling the car as is I'd say you'd be lucky to get near 1k. If you don't fancy paying anything you might be able to write the car off with your insurance company.
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try ScoobyBits | Subaru Specialists // New & Used Parts // Repairs & Servicing
see what jason (the gaffer) has to say.
jasemac on here.
think he should be able to do a good price on a rebuild if you explain in detail whats happened. 01709 555155
good luck anywho.
see what jason (the gaffer) has to say.
jasemac on here.
think he should be able to do a good price on a rebuild if you explain in detail whats happened. 01709 555155
good luck anywho.
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It maybe cheaper to buy an engine from someone like japperformanceparts.co.uk, top guys and always got stuff in stock. Then just a case of whipping old engine out and sticking new one in. Good luck, also if you decide to scrap still give them a ring as they seem to offer good prices for no good cars.
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this morning on my way to work there was a loud noise from the engine(like some spanners in the washing machine). Before i could pull over the car lost all power and the engine started smoking bad. When the car was off the back of the recovery truck there was a puddle of fresh oil on the trailer. So i am sad to say i am going to sell it.
looking back i really should of either broke the car up (would have easily got what i'd paid for it back) or fitted a s/h engine (£1K) & used the spare cash to rebuild my old engine to a decent spec myself (depends if you have the inclination or garage space) or pick up a project engine from on here ...of which i've seen a few since
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The trouble with a second hand engine is you will have no idea of the history of it and what condition it is in. You could go to all that trouble and be right back where you started from. Unless you're a dab hand at swapping engines around it's also likely you'll have to pay someone to do it. What started off as a cheap fix can soon turn into an expensive nightmare. And of course you'll have no warranty if things do go wrong. I certainly wouldn't put a s/h engine in.
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The trouble with a second hand engine is you will have no idea of the history of it and what condition it is in. You could go to all that trouble and be right back where you started from. Unless you're a dab hand at swapping engines around it's also likely you'll have to pay someone to do it. What started off as a cheap fix can soon turn into an expensive nightmare. And of course you'll have no warranty if things do go wrong. I certainly wouldn't put a s/h engine in.
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You'll also have to change your logbook as the engine number won't match the number on the V5.
My experience of buying a second hand engine is not to. I had this problem many years ago with a Fiesta RS and for a 'cheap fix to buy you time' was a complete expensive nightmare and the warranty was a waste of time.
The best advice you'll receive here is to get the engine done by someone like API (there's only a handful of garages I'd let loose on my car for a rebuild) and swallow a bill for 3k or just get shot of the thing with a blown engine. You'll have the car gone for up to 4 weeks, but you'll have a car back that will have a bona fida warranty, it'll be serviced properly and the cambelt will be done. Just don't get carried away with any mods at the same time, if you're on a budget, as David is quite persuasive
FWIW the Impreza I bought with a knackered engine had a crappy dump valve on it too. I bought the car for 1.5k 13 months ago. It was a facelifted W reg with full history, and alas now the D/V is in the bin.
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Yes.
The car, as built, is fitted with a recirculating dump valve, which puts the already metered air BACK INTO THE ENGINE, so that the fuel, as delivered by the ecu for that amount of air, is correct.
A VTA dump valve dumps the already metered air to the atmosphere, so that the fuel, calculated by the ecu for that amount of air, is too rich.
Fuel wash is the result, and premature wear of cylinder liners, pistons, valves and possibly bearings..
Sorry, but Subaru, Prodrive, TSL, Graham Goode, API, Bob Rawle etc etc can't ALL be wrong.
It's not a case of people on here don't like VTA valves, we don't fit them because we've been advised NOT to do so by people who KNOW.
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The car, as built, is fitted with a recirculating dump valve, which puts the already metered air BACK INTO THE ENGINE, so that the fuel, as delivered by the ecu for that amount of air, is correct.
A VTA dump valve dumps the already metered air to the atmosphere, so that the fuel, calculated by the ecu for that amount of air, is too rich.
Fuel wash is the result, and premature wear of cylinder liners, pistons, valves and possibly bearings..
Sorry, but Subaru, Prodrive, TSL, Graham Goode, API, Bob Rawle etc etc can't ALL be wrong.
It's not a case of people on here don't like VTA valves, we don't fit them because we've been advised NOT to do so by people who KNOW.
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Yes.
The car, as built, is fitted with a recirculating dump valve, which puts the already metered air BACK INTO THE ENGINE, so that the fuel, as delivered by the ecu for that amount of air, is correct.
A VTA dump valve dumps the already metered air to the atmosphere, so that the fuel, calculated by the ecu for that amount of air, is too rich.
Fuel wash is the result, and premature wear of cylinder liners, pistons, valves and possibly bearings..
Sorry, but Subaru, Prodrive, TSL, Graham Goode, API, Bob Rawle etc etc can't ALL be wrong.
It's not a case of people on here don't like VTA valves, we don't fit them because we've been advised NOT to do so by people who KNOW.
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The car, as built, is fitted with a recirculating dump valve, which puts the already metered air BACK INTO THE ENGINE, so that the fuel, as delivered by the ecu for that amount of air, is correct.
A VTA dump valve dumps the already metered air to the atmosphere, so that the fuel, calculated by the ecu for that amount of air, is too rich.
Fuel wash is the result, and premature wear of cylinder liners, pistons, valves and possibly bearings..
Sorry, but Subaru, Prodrive, TSL, Graham Goode, API, Bob Rawle etc etc can't ALL be wrong.
It's not a case of people on here don't like VTA valves, we don't fit them because we've been advised NOT to do so by people who KNOW.
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The trouble with a second hand engine is you will have no idea of the history of it and what condition it is in. You could go to all that trouble and be right back where you started from. Unless you're a dab hand at swapping engines around it's also likely you'll have to pay someone to do it. What started off as a cheap fix can soon turn into an expensive nightmare. And of course you'll have no warranty if things do go wrong. I certainly wouldn't put a s/h engine in.
well worth the money for a years worth of driving, so its paid for itself already.
have a think about it.....
a second hand ford focus can cost you £200 / month a month on finance
thats £2400 a year. thats the same as 2 engines for a scoob. its all relative!!!
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slightly off topic but i find it laughable that you can blame a VTA for engine falure, fuelwash occuring from the small amount of excess air not needed created by the turbo,would have to be a damn lot of fuel going thru in the 1st place !
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I would personally get Len and Subaru 4U in Newbury to look at it...you may be suprised at how reasonably priced it could be. When I believed my engine was gone (it turned out to be a shredded cambelt knocking on the cover because of something odd happening) Len was a much more financially viable option to sort it out (if it was the worst case)
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And the amount of oil IN the cylinder is minimal, so not much fuel needed to remove it..............
Laughable it may be, but it's what the tuners, mappers, Prodrive and Subaru actually say, so I'm not gonna argue with them.
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Every, and I do mean EVERY, tuner I have spoken to has indicated that the std recirculating dump valve is the best option untill high levels of tune. I have several mates who've gone from VTA to recirculating and have all commented that the car ran significantly better with the latter!
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i've had a gradeA engine in my car for about a year now (due to a hairline crack in my old block) runs as good as ever, quiet, and clean.
well worth the money for a years worth of driving, so its paid for itself already.
have a think about it.....
a second hand ford focus can cost you £200 / month a month on finance
thats £2400 a year. thats the same as 2 engines for a scoob. its all relative!!!
well worth the money for a years worth of driving, so its paid for itself already.
have a think about it.....
a second hand ford focus can cost you £200 / month a month on finance
thats £2400 a year. thats the same as 2 engines for a scoob. its all relative!!!
Yes but did this cost 1k including fitting and 6 months warranty? I'm certainly not suggesting that all second hand engines are pap, but surely it's more of a gamble than going the more expensive route with a warranty. A gamble that can cost considerably more than getting it done the expensive route first time around, like I found out once the hard way.
I don't really understand why you've tagged a Focus on finance on the end of your point. I'm just about to buy a nice mk3 Golf 16v for around a grand, the same price as this hypothetical second hand engine. You do have an overall point though, it is all relative.
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Yes but did this cost 1k including fitting and 6 months warranty? I'm certainly not suggesting that all second hand engines are pap, but surely it's more of a gamble than going the more expensive route with a warranty. A gamble that can cost considerably more than getting it done the expensive route first time around, like I found out once the hard way.
I don't really understand why you've tagged a Focus on finance on the end of your point. I'm just about to buy a nice mk3 Golf 16v for around a grand, the same price as this hypothetical second hand engine. You do have an overall point though, it is all relative.
I don't really understand why you've tagged a Focus on finance on the end of your point. I'm just about to buy a nice mk3 Golf 16v for around a grand, the same price as this hypothetical second hand engine. You do have an overall point though, it is all relative.
For some, it's a gamble worth taking. For others, the security of having effectively a new engine with a warranty is paramount!
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I agree.
Every, and I do mean EVERY, tuner I have spoken to has indicated that the std recirculating dump valve is the best option untill high levels of tune. I have several mates who've gone from VTA to recirculating and have all commented that the car ran significantly better with the latter!
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Every, and I do mean EVERY, tuner I have spoken to has indicated that the std recirculating dump valve is the best option untill high levels of tune. I have several mates who've gone from VTA to recirculating and have all commented that the car ran significantly better with the latter!
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wait
wait....
what did andy f have to say on this a while back? doesnt it depend on your driving style too? (not the engine going pop, but the actual effects of a vta??)
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