chocolate_o_brian

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as a few on here know, the scoob is away at the moment as the gearbox is fubared.

had a call today from jase @ scoobybits to confirm it was knackered basically. but with all genuine new parts from subaru themselves, i was looking at £2.5k to have it fixed to new condition. sod that!

so me and jase had a chat and weve come up with two main choices available to me...

1. to scrap the knackered gearbox and replace it with a donor gearbox from another car. as i understand it any gearbox from a uk classic or uk newage wrx should fit as its the same ratio?

2. give someone like api a call and have them handcraft me a beautiful reconditioned gearbox and post it to jase, who in turn with fit it along with new clutch, skimmed flywheel.

as i see it, option two may be better as i would imagine api give a warrantee for a couple months at least, and jase isnt just any spanner monkey, and is well respected on here as a specialist.

option one could be cheaper, but getting a genuine unabused gearbox that hasnt been mis-treated or done lots of miles.... plus lack of warrantee.

so, advice from the scoobynet faithful please.

best option? additional options?

cheers

andy

p.s. just to add, its only really 300bhp/ft lb im eventually after so standard gearbox i thinks with uprated clucth.

Paddi70

Option 2 sounds like the best plan, as both parties are well known and respected . And as you said in option 1, how can you know that the box you pic up has not been trashed, and what warranty?
So now down to price, if you dont mind me asking how much for option 2? As I and a few other Classic owners may have to look at this some time in the future.
Cheers P

D-an-W

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If you are planning to keep the car Andy then option 2 is the only way to go IMO...

Silver Scooby Sport

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Option 2 is my choice Andy, have a talk with David from API there may be options available from him as well.

The Zohan

Option 2 would be best, keeping the car or not really, it is a selling point.

Marx Mcrae

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Sorry to hear the bad new mate, not what you want to hear just after xmas.

Suppose you've really got to weigh up the cost of both options.
Im sure that Jase will be able to find a low milage box for a few hundred quid.
But I also know that a mate of mine bought a recon STi box from APi for £900

If you do get hold of Dave at APi, can you ask him how much it would be to recon my box on my car.
Cheers mucka!
Marcus

DannyBoy007

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Been there, broke mine and I didn't think twice about having a repalcement off David. You get a 6 month warranty. Fitting a 2nd hand box isn't going to be that much cheaper and you've no idea of the history.

GC8

Option 3: used warranted gearbox from David O'Brien. Im sure that API warrant used gearboxes and this may give you the best of both: it really depends how much each costs, doesnt it?

Simon

chocolate_o_brian

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knew i could rely on you lol.

will have a natter tomorrow with him. today was ecu mapping day lol

SwissTony

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correct on option 3.
the warranty may not be as long as a built one from API but it will be cheaper.

TBH, even though david is price wise reasonable, his built gearbox and then jase's time will be close to that figure anyway.

option 1 is best from someone who is breaking their car and can give you a good honest run down on the gearbox

RON

Option four..... second hand 6 speeder from API... same warrantee, just one extra cog, it'd be more than up to what you've got power wise, and would cost about the same as rebuilding your box, assuming the removal/refitting isn't horendous...!!

APIDavid

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OK guys!, thanks for the recommendations, rather embarrassing really to be mentioned so often in so few posts. Ta! anyway.

6 months / 6000 miles warranty on a recon box. It covers synchro failure and bearing noises, but NEVER missing teeth. That constitutes abuse or inappropriate use and we're not up for that.

Changed a box for a guy about 3 weeks before Xmas, that was noisy in 1st and driving him nuts. No cost to him, of course. And he gets a fresh 6 months start. { Don't even think about calling up with a failure at 5 months and 20 days, we've been there before.........}

Used is never a great option even from me, as to keep the price realistic we can only take a view of the mileage and cross our fingers. The moment we start taking it to bits to evaluate it, the price must rise. Then we decide that it doesn't look good in 3rd say, and we repair it, thus creating a higher cost.

Rob, our gearbox 'department ', is snowed at the moment, I must have taken 5 gearbox orders already this week. Including selling the last 6 speeder in the building. No more 6 speed stock coming from Japan, even on the sea at the moment.

The WORLD seems to have woken up to the fact that a JDM 6 speeder fits just about anything and they are now very short supply, YEP!, even in Japan. And the price is rising, so poor old Okamoto in Japan is having a very hard time getting any.

We can help any of you, but there will be a delay whilst we get up to speed.

David APi

fraser87uk

Get a dog engagement box. You know its right!

chocolate_o_brian

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thanks for the info david. will call you 9 am this morning. il wait up and have a chat with you.

i simply havent the free expendature of some members on here to throw 2-3k into a new gearbox. david knows my scenario, and before xmas we discussed the options available on a reasonable budget.

just hope i wont be waiting too long for a box if it all goes smoothly.

standard 5speed with decent clutch will do me fine on this car.

Gear Head

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How much has David quoted you?

chocolate_o_brian

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just waiting for him to get in the office. 9.30 start today

APIDavid

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A dog box on a road car ? You gotta be kidding

David APi.

PS, delayed today because it's bins day and I was halfway to work when l realised that I should have done that and had to go back - gettin' old you see !!

T5OLF

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{ Don't even think about calling up with a failure at 5 months and 20 days, we've been there before.........}


So your not providing a 6 month warranty really, 6 months should mean 6 months should it not? If I was spending that sort of money I would not be happy IF my box failed at 5 months and 20 days.........

Andy, I really don't think you need to spend this sort of money on a rebuild, your not running silly power and doing 1/4 miles every weekend so the box is really not stressed.

As I told you on the last thread my box rebuild cost less than 300 quid inc the 2 used 5th gears from Zen, new woodruff key and gaskets etc, and it's still going strong a year later with over 300 brake and 300 pounds of torque.

I'm not saying it won't fail again but I can get a lot of rebuilds for 2.5 k.

You payes your money you takes your choice...........

chocolate_o_brian

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think youve mis-understood fella. sorry my bad.

basically, jase @ scoobybits said to get all new genuine parts from a subaru dealership would cost me £2.5k. api's price is no where near that. infact, having just had a chat on the phone with david personally, a price of £750+vat has been agreed for a recon box. im happy with that, as my other box is absolutley totalled according to jason. hes had a gearbox specialist go through it with a fine tooth cone, and it really is buggered.

so say 900inc vat for the box itself, exedy clutch from jase at around 200. skimmed flywheel and labour... i dunno, under £1500 surely. jases labour costs are pretty good.

just to re-iterate the 2.5k is basically a brandnew box from subaru themselves, typical "stealerships" prices. i thought 900 from one of the contries better specialists was reasonable.

where did you go T5OLF. you got a good deal there, and as you know 300/300 is my target in the end,

andy

chocolate_o_brian

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pleasure as always

tell rob to "pull one finger from ones rectum"

bugeyeandy

I think what he means is don't be phoning up saying it's noisy just so you can get a fresh box and shiny new 6 month warranty just as the old one runs out. There are plenty of chancers out there that would try this trick

I'd imagine if you had a genuine fault at 5 months and 29 days API would be more than happy to sort it under warranty

bugeyeandy

p.s. Choccy - what's a fine tooth cone? :O

mickyjeff

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sorry to hear that m8
for what its worth i agree with T5OLF and i still think £1500 is a lot for your motor IMHO
cheers mick
hope you get the beast sorted.

Gear Head

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Me too.

T5OLF

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I went to HDC Subaru at Hebden Bridge, I took the box out at my mates using his ramp (HDC can have it out in an hour) I dropped it off with them and they take it to the guy who does the builds for them. Turn around was 24 hours. He does stock used box's that are covered for 3 or 6 months. Give him a bell, what have you got to lose?

APIDavid

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You tell him I wouldn't dare....................

T5olf, The point is that we are fair with people and if you get a 6 months warranty it carries over to any replacement gearbox with a fresh start for another 6 months.

BUT at APi engines we have had people trying it on and getting 3 free engines over 18 months. We don't do that any more. We do as insurance companies do and apply a ' betterment' figure; IE. you have had reasonable use out of it and to maintain a warranty there will be a modest charge.

The APi warranty is parts cover anyway - so there'd always be a labour charge after the first 1000 miles. For the 1st 1000 miles we cover parts and labour on rebuilt engines and boxes, on the basis that we have either fitted a substandard part that has failed pretty much straight away, OR; we have forgotten to do something up and its fallen off..........

Rare that we get claims, but those that have made claims will tell you we are more than fair.

David APi

T5OLF

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See what your saying, suppose there are always those who will try it on.

The Trooper 1815

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Big Brakes is selling a Box he had for his Track Car, never fitted it. He posted it in the Wales Section for the locals first!

https://www.scoobynet.com/private-sa...ason-sale.html

APIDavid

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You better believe it, rewound speedos, different cars with ID's changed, engine swapped for one that is not ours. You name it, it has been tried..

We have even had two gearboxes NOT SUBARU stripped and the insides nicked out, then old parts put in and returned as " no longer required and please refund."

That's why breakers smear paint across every join.

David

New_scooby_04

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Andy,

Give it to David,

Get the job done right, pay once! Too many unknowns with 2 hand; could save you a little, or cost you a lot more!!

Ns04