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15 January 2008, 08:49 PM
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help
need sum help guys
i got a wrx ra 93 on a k plate
brought a engine out of a sti type r 2000 model
seem to be havin probs as i dont have the loom
the engines seem alot diff in parts.
is there any 1 else on here what has fitted a type r engine to there wrx.
or is there any 1 what can help or have any ideas
please help
i got a wrx ra 93 on a k plate
brought a engine out of a sti type r 2000 model
seem to be havin probs as i dont have the loom
the engines seem alot diff in parts.
is there any 1 else on here what has fitted a type r engine to there wrx.
or is there any 1 what can help or have any ideas
please help
15 January 2008, 09:10 PM
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hun as i stated in you rother posts there are always going to bits and bobs you have not thought of
i suggest you get in touch with a garage near you or even better pay them to do the work
good luck
steve
i suggest you get in touch with a garage near you or even better pay them to do the work
good luck
steve
15 January 2008, 09:11 PM
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i dont need any 1 to do the work as me dad dose engine jobs
just needed 2 know if any one on here as fitted a type r engine to there wrx with out the loom and how did they do it
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15 January 2008, 09:52 PM
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English Translation : It is not DIY job. My dad own's his own garage.
If you can find a good scrappy and get a suitable loom otherwise the words **** creek and paddle spring to mind.
I would suggest speaking to the Jap Performance Parts : Home as they break cars all the time and you might be able to get one there.
Good luck.
If you can find a good scrappy and get a suitable loom otherwise the words **** creek and paddle spring to mind.
I would suggest speaking to the Jap Performance Parts : Home as they break cars all the time and you might be able to get one there.
Good luck.
15 January 2008, 11:17 PM
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the issue you have.. the main one..
the 93 ecu uses an idle valve, the 2000 uses a stepper motor.
If you use the inlet manifold from the 2000 then your ecu will not run the stepper motor..
Therefore it is advisable to use the inlet manifold from the 93.. however this will not bolt directly to the 2000 heads as the inlet ports locations are different and the bolt pattern different.. even if you adapted the inlet manifold to fit which can be done by cutting the runners off and ally welding them to the other inlet manifold.. you have an issue with coils as the 2000 is wasted spark and the 93 not.. normally you could just use the 4 coilpacks from the 93 on the 2000 engine, however on the 2000 there are no coilpack bolt holes in the heads..
I presume you are trying to resolve a bottom end issue? big end failure?
Best solution would be to remove the heads from the 93 engine and bolt them to the bottom end of the 2000 engine.. this will mate up without any major issue.. although you may need to select head gaskets carefully as I believe the 93 heads on a 2000 bottom end will give higher compression.. so use thicker gaskets to overcome this. There is also the need to alter the starter motor mounting as it is stud on the 93 and bolt on the 2000 but is an easy fix.
you can then ebay the 2000 heads to get back the price of the new head gaskets..
Failing all that.. get the engine loom and ecu and ecu loom for a 2000 and swap the lot..
Simon
the 93 ecu uses an idle valve, the 2000 uses a stepper motor.
If you use the inlet manifold from the 2000 then your ecu will not run the stepper motor..
Therefore it is advisable to use the inlet manifold from the 93.. however this will not bolt directly to the 2000 heads as the inlet ports locations are different and the bolt pattern different.. even if you adapted the inlet manifold to fit which can be done by cutting the runners off and ally welding them to the other inlet manifold.. you have an issue with coils as the 2000 is wasted spark and the 93 not.. normally you could just use the 4 coilpacks from the 93 on the 2000 engine, however on the 2000 there are no coilpack bolt holes in the heads..
I presume you are trying to resolve a bottom end issue? big end failure?
Best solution would be to remove the heads from the 93 engine and bolt them to the bottom end of the 2000 engine.. this will mate up without any major issue.. although you may need to select head gaskets carefully as I believe the 93 heads on a 2000 bottom end will give higher compression.. so use thicker gaskets to overcome this. There is also the need to alter the starter motor mounting as it is stud on the 93 and bolt on the 2000 but is an easy fix.
you can then ebay the 2000 heads to get back the price of the new head gaskets..
Failing all that.. get the engine loom and ecu and ecu loom for a 2000 and swap the lot..
Simon
16 January 2008, 08:37 AM
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Not being funny to the OP, but if your dad owns his own garage, isnt he the best person to ask ? He should know about car electrics, or know somebody who does.
Wiring a car from scratch is not particularly hard as long as you have ( and can read ) the wiring diagram and have all the parts you need. Trying to bodge together looms from two different cars that use different parts, with no diagrams is going to be pretty much impossible.
Wiring a car from scratch is not particularly hard as long as you have ( and can read ) the wiring diagram and have all the parts you need. Trying to bodge together looms from two different cars that use different parts, with no diagrams is going to be pretty much impossible.
and totally spot on IMHO
16 January 2008, 10:59 AM
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the issue you have.. the main one..
the 93 ecu uses an idle valve, the 2000 uses a stepper motor.
If you use the inlet manifold from the 2000 then your ecu will not run the stepper motor..
Therefore it is advisable to use the inlet manifold from the 93.. however this will not bolt directly to the 2000 heads as the inlet ports locations are different and the bolt pattern different.. even if you adapted the inlet manifold to fit which can be done by cutting the runners off and ally welding them to the other inlet manifold.. you have an issue with coils as the 2000 is wasted spark and the 93 not.. normally you could just use the 4 coilpacks from the 93 on the 2000 engine, however on the 2000 there are no coilpack bolt holes in the heads..
I presume you are trying to resolve a bottom end issue? big end failure?
Best solution would be to remove the heads from the 93 engine and bolt them to the bottom end of the 2000 engine.. this will mate up without any major issue.. although you may need to select head gaskets carefully as I believe the 93 heads on a 2000 bottom end will give higher compression.. so use thicker gaskets to overcome this. There is also the need to alter the starter motor mounting as it is stud on the 93 and bolt on the 2000 but is an easy fix.
you can then ebay the 2000 heads to get back the price of the new head gaskets..
Failing all that.. get the engine loom and ecu and ecu loom for a 2000 and swap the lot..
Simon
the 93 ecu uses an idle valve, the 2000 uses a stepper motor.
If you use the inlet manifold from the 2000 then your ecu will not run the stepper motor..
Therefore it is advisable to use the inlet manifold from the 93.. however this will not bolt directly to the 2000 heads as the inlet ports locations are different and the bolt pattern different.. even if you adapted the inlet manifold to fit which can be done by cutting the runners off and ally welding them to the other inlet manifold.. you have an issue with coils as the 2000 is wasted spark and the 93 not.. normally you could just use the 4 coilpacks from the 93 on the 2000 engine, however on the 2000 there are no coilpack bolt holes in the heads..
I presume you are trying to resolve a bottom end issue? big end failure?
Best solution would be to remove the heads from the 93 engine and bolt them to the bottom end of the 2000 engine.. this will mate up without any major issue.. although you may need to select head gaskets carefully as I believe the 93 heads on a 2000 bottom end will give higher compression.. so use thicker gaskets to overcome this. There is also the need to alter the starter motor mounting as it is stud on the 93 and bolt on the 2000 but is an easy fix.
you can then ebay the 2000 heads to get back the price of the new head gaskets..
Failing all that.. get the engine loom and ecu and ecu loom for a 2000 and swap the lot..
Simon
cheers for your help
16 January 2008, 01:28 PM
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Won't be the hoped-for 400bhp though If the MY00 STi block's been rebuilt to take 400bhp it seems a bit of a waste to stick with the heads/turbo/etc your MY93
Maybe you should re-sell the MY00 STi engine and get yourself a standard block/short engine instead?
If the MY00 STi block's been rebuilt to take 400bhp it seems a bit of a waste to stick with the heads/turbo/etc your MY93Maybe you should re-sell the MY00 STi engine and get yourself a standard block/short engine instead?
16 January 2008, 01:52 PM
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contact Jap Performance Parts or any of the other good parts/breakers and ask for a 99-00 STi wiring loom, ecu and whatever else you need.
Then drop the whole lot in complete, if you can stretch to it, see if you can get the STi dash installed as this will mean you don't end up with any redundant wires and finally do what Simon advised in the post above - should make it a far simpler process than trying to take the long way round and mating electrics or heads to bottom ends etc (this way you can just drop in the complete engine, ecu and wiring loom to match that engine).
Btw was the engine tuned for 400bhp? You would need the original ECU + wiring loom but the ECU would need a remap anyway.
Then drop the whole lot in complete, if you can stretch to it, see if you can get the STi dash installed as this will mean you don't end up with any redundant wires and finally do what Simon advised in the post above - should make it a far simpler process than trying to take the long way round and mating electrics or heads to bottom ends etc (this way you can just drop in the complete engine, ecu and wiring loom to match that engine).
Btw was the engine tuned for 400bhp? You would need the original ECU + wiring loom but the ECU would need a remap anyway.