Hi guys, first of all dont be alarmed, im an old member (aka kilo_4..) Webby wouldnt let me change my username hence the new account

Right the big problem i have. A few months ago I purchased a car from a Salvage yard which had no classification on it but did come with most documents except log books. Now prior to getting work done on my car I contacted DVLA and they said the car required no VIC and verified the car was legit (verified using my registration number and VIN)

I have seen before where salvage cars have been listed for parts/breaking only but still put back on road legally once they get the VIC done. Likewise I purchased the car with this in mind.

This however was not the problem, the problem was that the car was originally from the UK and permanently exported to The Isle of Man. Once my car was repaired I sent off for my log books which were rejected on the basis that I required an export certificate from the department of transport in Isle of Man. Likewise I sent off my £13 and £4 cheque for a duplicate log book and export certificate respectively as advised by the DVLA and DoT Isle of Man. After a few weeks I phoned DoT Isle of Man where they told me that the previous owner has verified everything and that the certificate is ready, just final confirmation from insurance company required.

I get a phone call a few days later telling me that they cant send me the Export certificate on the basis that the previous insurance company has declared the car a total loss.

In short I can do nothing without this export certificate and they wont issue it. If it was in england i could put the car back on road but due to a difference in the systems Isle of Man cant release the certificate.

Now guys i am really stuck, I have spent good money on a top repair job plus my parts and it turns out i cant register the car registered.

Is there another way to re-register my car legally i.e. via methods such as those applied for kit car?

Hope someone can help me

Appreciate all the help

 

how about buying a shell from a breakers and using the chassis number from that on your car? or is that classed as ringing?

 

yep. unless you transfer all the stuff to the donor car but thats pointless. I would seek professional advice mate.

I once had a car which I bought off my mate and was a cat d, the insurance company would not insure the vehicle until I obtained a certificate from a independant qualified vehicle tech stating it was road worthy & that the repairs were satisfactory. I then sent this report to the insurers and they insured the vehicle to a decent value. The report cost bout £70 odd quid I think.

Dont if that would work but may be an option for you fella. Good luck.

 

Serpico thank you for the reply matey but that is least of my worries lol

I cant even get to that stage yet.

The problem with mine is that basically it is non existant in England until I am issued a new log book. But to be issued the log book i need to re-register the car in England which requires the Department of Transport in Isle of Man to issue an Export Certificate. But due to the car being classed as a total write off the insurance company has advised them not to send.

What you are referring to is a VIC check. Ive told them im willing to do that but they told me that since Isle of Man does not have VICs it would be pointless. The only way is for the previous insurance company to re-classify the car which i think is impossible as they wont do that. Im willing to do a VIC check but im stuck in between as first and foremost i dont know who the previous insurance company is and secondly Isle of Man wont do anything until the insurance company re-classifies the car or gives them the green light for the issue

really stuck now

 

Should ave read closely it is late afterall

That is a real pain in the **** but there must be someway. So if this vehicle was in say, england you would be able to get the docs?! If I have it correct that is absurd. If I havent Im going to bed as its too late!

You need to sneak it back into england

All the best mate, Im sure you will sort it...eventually.

 

Argh lol it must be late.

OK here goes,

The car ws bought from England

Car was Permanently Exported to Isle of Man

Car had accident in Isle of Man

Salvage company in England acquired car and it is back in UK.

I bought the car in England and have repaired but need export cert from isle of man before i can apply for log books here

hope thats more clear

 

Nothing you can do,theonly option is to register it as a kit car all the info needed can be found on the dvla website.

Ya should never bother with damaged cars waste of time IMHO.

 

If salvage Co in England bought the car and sold it to you as a repairable one (?) surely it is there responsibilty to get you the docs you require from IOM DoT....

Or atleast they should have a better chance of chasing up the previous insurance company..... Have you no docs showing the owner of the car on the IOM and write to them, maybe they could contact there insurance company on your behalf...???

Raf

 

Raf how you doing my old pal, aint seen or spoken to you for ages.

RAF you would be right in that sense but the car was there for breaking. Now im not into salvage cars nor am i into Jap performance cars anymore tbh. I just bought it for the fun of it really.

Now the only reason i did was because the damage was so minimal, i.e. offside rear quarter, os doors and wing and trust me they werent heavily damaged.

Now normally I know plenty of guys that buy cars which are for breaking. They repair them, get a VIC done and legally have them back on road. I assumed I could do the same but the catch with mine was this whole Isle of Man thing. I have had it confirmed by DVLA that I could have the car re-registered but with the export certificate sent alongside the other bits and peices they require.

Its all really confusing now as im wasting lots of time tryin to sort it out and am going no where.

Immy, regarding the kit car thing. I had thought about that in the first place but how would i come about doing it. Wouldnt i need the log book from a donor car and basically use the donor shell to legally make it stand.

I knew a friend who has a NA Impreza wagon. He did a complete Sti 4 conversion and got it altered on the log book to Impreza Turbo.

Let me know matey

 

Awkward situation. Here is my thoughts:

You can't register it as a built up vehicle, because you don't have a "source" for the body shell, because you have no logbook, and no proof that you can "use" the chassis number. I did this a number of years ago with a 106 rallye but that had a brand new shell with receipt.

I think the only thing you can do, is "build" a kit car. This would be legal as technically you could build your own chassis. The vehicle will probably need a super SVA (like a kit car), and you will probably need to remove the chassis number (because technically it doesn't exist). You will probably end up with a Q plate.


In response to previous replies,

"I once had a car which I bought off my mate and was a cat d, the insurance company would not insure the vehicle until I obtained a certificate from a independant qualified vehicle tech stating it was road worthy & that the repairs were satisfactory. I then sent this report to the insurers and they insured the vehicle to a decent value. The report cost about £70 odd quid I think"

This is not a VIC (Vehicle Identity Check), A VIC is issued by VOSA and checks the identity of the vehicle, it doesn't check the standard of the repair, or its roadworthiness. It just checks the vehicles identity. You can only get a VIC if VOSA say you need one (Cat C vehicles). Any vehicle classed as a Cat A or B cannot legally be repaired, and any salvage breaker selling the shell/vehicle for rebuild is breaking the law.

Companies such as Autolign (and others) will inspect the vehicle for standard of repair and roadworthiness, and issue a certificate. The vehicle status on HPI will be changed to vehicle inspected, and the insurance co will give it a decent value.

Jamie

 

Aah thats really interesting.

Only thing is, ive heard they dont do Q plates anymore. Is that true

Furthermore do you think i can go down the route of Autolign

And finally i know several salvage car dealers that have put total loss vehicles back on road and they have all their checks done prior to advertising them. They have been doing this for many years so surely there is a loophole somewhere that makes it legal. In my case thats least of my worries, I can get the certificate i need lol

 

Cat C and Cat D are still classed as Total loss but are repairable. You must have an environmental disposal licence to deal with cat A or B vehicles. These vehicles should never make it back on the road. Dealers selling Cat A or B vehicles risk losing their licence.

Good point about the Q plates, not sure where they stand now.

Autolign can only help you once it is registered, they will inspect it and advise HPI, they cannot help you with DVLA.

Jamie

 

I've done some digging for you.

Taken from:

Registering a rebuilt vehicle, kit car and kit conversion : Directgov - Motoring


"In order to retain the original registration mark:

cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).

And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.

If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.

motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.

If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."


I think you qualify for a Q plate, you can claim that the Shell is second hand, and you have a receipt from your dealer.

Therefore you just need an ESVA, and you are good to go!!!!

Jamie

 

I wonder if the salvage company have the papers you require, as they imported the car from the isle of man, would they not have to get the export cert to bring the car into the uk, you have probably explored this avenue already, but i thought i would mention it just in case.
best of luck
regards

Danny

 

Danny im waiting for a rpely on this

Hoverbod, thanks for the help matey. Only problem is i dont want it going on a Q plate, otherwise no one would buy it off me.