mapping for £200
16 February 2008, 06:07 PM
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mapping for £200
Have been offered this on a local forum. Firstly lets make it clear I have no intention to use it, I just thought I`d ask how it works.
This is the site: www.mapmyride.co.uk
One thing that rings a few alarm bells is this sentence:
Before we are willing to map your car you are required to read and sign this disclaimer, a copy will be given to you with the payment receipt.
This is the site: www.mapmyride.co.uk
One thing that rings a few alarm bells is this sentence:
Before we are willing to map your car you are required to read and sign this disclaimer, a copy will be given to you with the payment receipt.
16 February 2008, 06:42 PM
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well i would not let em touch mine.
would rather spend the extra £'s and get it done by someone well known and reputable.
jgm aka simon,bob rawle,powerstation,mocom to name a few.
£650-700 for ecutek is far cheaper than if you need a rebuild a few months down the line
all my opinion of course but each to their own
would rather spend the extra £'s and get it done by someone well known and reputable.
jgm aka simon,bob rawle,powerstation,mocom to name a few.
£650-700 for ecutek is far cheaper than if you need a rebuild a few months down the line
all my opinion of course but each to their own
16 February 2008, 07:05 PM
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Theres an add on ebay at the mo who has this offer on 01 cars onwards for around the same price.....also offers Launch control on standard ecu...it also mentions that if the car has allready been ecu flashed then he cant map it...
Seems a bit cheap doesn,t it.......and how does the launch control work?
Seems a bit cheap doesn,t it.......and how does the launch control work?
16 February 2008, 08:40 PM
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If you have a look at the site, the price actually increases with the level of complexity of the modifications.
My guess is he is using an open source code.
Personally, I would prefer my Subaru to be mapped by someone who maps Subarus but one would think that as long as this guy applies his knowledge and experience to the mapping exercise (whatever car it is) then the map will be safe. Afterall, it's the same basic principles regardless of car.
My guess is he is using an open source code.
Personally, I would prefer my Subaru to be mapped by someone who maps Subarus but one would think that as long as this guy applies his knowledge and experience to the mapping exercise (whatever car it is) then the map will be safe. Afterall, it's the same basic principles regardless of car.
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£200 for remap + £2500 for engine rebuild in 3 months time when it blows vs. £600 ish now for a specialist with known track record who knows what they are doing....
Looking at their site it looks like mapmyride is a franchise sort of thing, so you'll get someone mapping your car who has bought the gear from them and done a 3 day training course in 'how to map any car'.
Personally wouldnt touch it with a bargepole.
Looking at their site it looks like mapmyride is a franchise sort of thing, so you'll get someone mapping your car who has bought the gear from them and done a 3 day training course in 'how to map any car'.
Personally wouldnt touch it with a bargepole.
17 February 2008, 08:47 AM
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generic maps i can tell you where they come from too if you like lol
actually maybe thats a bad idea lol they are generic codes though its how most of the vag world tune ecus by premade files passed around
actually maybe thats a bad idea lol they are generic codes though its how most of the vag world tune ecus by premade files passed around
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17 February 2008, 11:34 AM
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Far too many assumptions in this thread.
Why don't people read the details in the site. It's £200 for a basic map and the increases to the prices you guys are prepared to fork out, for car's with greater modifications.
A couple of years ago, you were able to get Tek II maps which were a lot cheaper than Tek III. Basically it was a generic map to which was applied some basic tweaking either on road or dyno. The bulk of the cost came from the Ecutek licence with the remainder of the cost ie mapper time and profit, probably only amounting to a couple of hundred. So in essence, there is nothing wrond per se with a map that costs a £200.
Despite the celebrity like status that some people tend to bestow on mappers, it's not brain surgery. I'm not saying it's easy but it's certainly not the black art that people think it is.
Why don't people read the details in the site. It's £200 for a basic map and the increases to the prices you guys are prepared to fork out, for car's with greater modifications.
A couple of years ago, you were able to get Tek II maps which were a lot cheaper than Tek III. Basically it was a generic map to which was applied some basic tweaking either on road or dyno. The bulk of the cost came from the Ecutek licence with the remainder of the cost ie mapper time and profit, probably only amounting to a couple of hundred. So in essence, there is nothing wrond per se with a map that costs a £200.
Despite the celebrity like status that some people tend to bestow on mappers, it's not brain surgery. I'm not saying it's easy but it's certainly not the black art that people think it is.
17 February 2008, 12:12 PM
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hair dressing isn't brain surgery, but you should see what you can pay for a wash, blowdry, cut & style! No laptops, just some water, shampoo scissors and trimmers!
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Even with the license fee, and an appreciation of the mappers outlay on an EcuTEK 'franchise' there is still room for some leeway on the mapping costs. £400-450 a map is a lot of money, if you are doing 2-3 maps a day.
I am not sure how that breaks down to salary/commission/repayment of franchise....and I guess nobody is going to disclose this either. Certainly protuned EcuTEK maps in the states are not as expensive as the monopolising tuners here.....
I am not sure how that breaks down to salary/commission/repayment of franchise....and I guess nobody is going to disclose this either. Certainly protuned EcuTEK maps in the states are not as expensive as the monopolising tuners here.....
17 February 2008, 12:49 PM
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*wonders if Paul is coming to join the thread about moisturisers in NSR* 
Once you've taken the cost of an Ecutek licence out of the equation; a map isn't vastly more expensive than that anyhow, so with open-source software I guess it can be done for that money; so the actual cost of it isn't an issue to me.
That said, I'd rather pay a premium for someone who has a proven track record for stuff like this; and they can charge that premium simply because they're very good at what they do, which is fine by me. Take a look at the mobile valeting thread for another example of "its not brain surgery [but f**k me people still massively screw it up]"
Once you've taken the cost of an Ecutek licence out of the equation; a map isn't vastly more expensive than that anyhow, so with open-source software I guess it can be done for that money; so the actual cost of it isn't an issue to me.
That said, I'd rather pay a premium for someone who has a proven track record for stuff like this; and they can charge that premium simply because they're very good at what they do, which is fine by me. Take a look at the mobile valeting thread for another example of "its not brain surgery [but f**k me people still massively screw it up]"
17 February 2008, 02:28 PM
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Use a coloquial term and get taken literally.... eeesshh
I've always paid the premium for someone with proven experience as I can't afford for things to go wrong. If I could afford the risk of blowing and engine or too, hey I would have a go at mapping myself.
I was trying to point it out to people that they should discount the service due to the fact that it was £200.
I've always paid the premium for someone with proven experience as I can't afford for things to go wrong. If I could afford the risk of blowing and engine or too, hey I would have a go at mapping myself.
I was trying to point it out to people that they should discount the service due to the fact that it was £200.
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One more thing I forgot to mention, the place where this will be done has a 40mph speed limit and roads aren`t exactly great for any top speed runs. Also there is no 4wd dyno and a 2wd dyno that can handle around 300bhp so how can they check its actually all safe?
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Thanks for your comments.
I wish I was doing 2-3 remaps every day!
Ecutek is not a franchise, the dealers buy a softare product to do the job. To get fully setup with Ecutek software to cover every Subaru and EVO available to map, costs around £10k, that's before you've paid for a single license. Licenses are £150, i don't think that's a secret, we pay that to Ecutek for every car we map. To save you the maths for the break even point, at the (cheap) price of £450 for a remap, you're going to do about 30 cars to BREAK EVEN. Of course that's not taking into account overheads which for an established tuner with premises will be high.
Some ecutek dealers do not deal with Ecutek directly either, but through a third party that does the mapping, I would say this accounts for about 50% of all ecutek remaps sold in the UK. How the maps are charged in this instance is between the reseller and the mapper, but is certainly one of the factors regarding pricing overall.
Meanwhile your instant opensource mapper charging £250 a shot has made £7500 out of his 30 customers. Maybe the opensource mapper will become expert and established, like Mocom racing for example. Or maybe not.
I would say that the maps in the US are cheap for a reason. I had the pleasure of mapping a car that had been previously mapped in the US by an ecutek tuner. The owner found most of what I did to be new to him, and the mapping much more in depth, as a result, despite paying more, he was very pleased indeed with what he got. In the states people will map for almost nothing. Lower overheads, higher volumes, more customers and a price war saw to that.
Like everything, companies charge for their products what the market will bear, whether it's cinema tickets, haircuts, white goods or automotive services. And like every other market, people are happy to pay for genuine quality and good service.
If you in paticular don't wish to pay a premium, that's up to you, but please do not be telling my present and future customers that they're not getting value for money, as in my experience their feedback suggests they are quite happy.
I wish I was doing 2-3 remaps every day!
Ecutek is not a franchise, the dealers buy a softare product to do the job. To get fully setup with Ecutek software to cover every Subaru and EVO available to map, costs around £10k, that's before you've paid for a single license. Licenses are £150, i don't think that's a secret, we pay that to Ecutek for every car we map. To save you the maths for the break even point, at the (cheap) price of £450 for a remap, you're going to do about 30 cars to BREAK EVEN. Of course that's not taking into account overheads which for an established tuner with premises will be high.
Some ecutek dealers do not deal with Ecutek directly either, but through a third party that does the mapping, I would say this accounts for about 50% of all ecutek remaps sold in the UK. How the maps are charged in this instance is between the reseller and the mapper, but is certainly one of the factors regarding pricing overall.
Meanwhile your instant opensource mapper charging £250 a shot has made £7500 out of his 30 customers. Maybe the opensource mapper will become expert and established, like Mocom racing for example. Or maybe not.
I would say that the maps in the US are cheap for a reason. I had the pleasure of mapping a car that had been previously mapped in the US by an ecutek tuner. The owner found most of what I did to be new to him, and the mapping much more in depth, as a result, despite paying more, he was very pleased indeed with what he got. In the states people will map for almost nothing. Lower overheads, higher volumes, more customers and a price war saw to that.
Like everything, companies charge for their products what the market will bear, whether it's cinema tickets, haircuts, white goods or automotive services. And like every other market, people are happy to pay for genuine quality and good service.
If you in paticular don't wish to pay a premium, that's up to you, but please do not be telling my present and future customers that they're not getting value for money, as in my experience their feedback suggests they are quite happy.
Even with the license fee, and an appreciation of the mappers outlay on an EcuTEK 'franchise' there is still room for some leeway on the mapping costs. £400-450 a map is a lot of money, if you are doing 2-3 maps a day.
I am not sure how that breaks down to salary/commission/repayment of franchise....and I guess nobody is going to disclose this either. Certainly protuned EcuTEK maps in the states are not as expensive as the monopolising tuners here.....
I am not sure how that breaks down to salary/commission/repayment of franchise....and I guess nobody is going to disclose this either. Certainly protuned EcuTEK maps in the states are not as expensive as the monopolising tuners here.....
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Thanks for your comments.
I wish I was doing 2-3 remaps every day!
Ecutek is not a franchise, the dealers buy a softare product to do the job. To get fully setup with Ecutek software to cover every Subaru and EVO available to map, costs around £10k, that's before you've paid for a single license. Licenses are £150, i don't think that's a secret, we pay that to Ecutek for every car we map. To save you the maths for the break even point, at the (cheap) price of £450 for a remap, you're going to do about 30 cars to BREAK EVEN. Of course that's not taking into account overheads which for an established tuner with premises will be high.
Some ecutek dealers do not deal with Ecutek directly either, but through a third party that does the mapping, I would say this accounts for about 50% of all ecutek remaps sold in the UK. How the maps are charged in this instance is between the reseller and the mapper, but is certainly one of the factors regarding pricing overall.
Meanwhile your instant opensource mapper charging £250 a shot has made £7500 out of his 30 customers. Maybe the opensource mapper will become expert and established, like Mocom racing for example. Or maybe not.
I would say that the maps in the US are cheap for a reason. I had the pleasure of mapping a car that had been previously mapped in the US by an ecutek tuner. The owner found most of what I did to be new to him, and the mapping much more in depth, as a result, despite paying more, he was very pleased indeed with what he got. In the states people will map for almost nothing. Lower overheads, higher volumes, more customers and a price war saw to that.
Like everything, companies charge for their products what the market will bear, whether it's cinema tickets, haircuts, white goods or automotive services. And like every other market, people are happy to pay for genuine quality and good service.
If you in paticular don't wish to pay a premium, that's up to you, but please do not be telling my present and future customers that they're not getting value for money, as in my experience their feedback suggests they are quite happy.
I wish I was doing 2-3 remaps every day!
Ecutek is not a franchise, the dealers buy a softare product to do the job. To get fully setup with Ecutek software to cover every Subaru and EVO available to map, costs around £10k, that's before you've paid for a single license. Licenses are £150, i don't think that's a secret, we pay that to Ecutek for every car we map. To save you the maths for the break even point, at the (cheap) price of £450 for a remap, you're going to do about 30 cars to BREAK EVEN. Of course that's not taking into account overheads which for an established tuner with premises will be high.
Some ecutek dealers do not deal with Ecutek directly either, but through a third party that does the mapping, I would say this accounts for about 50% of all ecutek remaps sold in the UK. How the maps are charged in this instance is between the reseller and the mapper, but is certainly one of the factors regarding pricing overall.
Meanwhile your instant opensource mapper charging £250 a shot has made £7500 out of his 30 customers. Maybe the opensource mapper will become expert and established, like Mocom racing for example. Or maybe not.
I would say that the maps in the US are cheap for a reason. I had the pleasure of mapping a car that had been previously mapped in the US by an ecutek tuner. The owner found most of what I did to be new to him, and the mapping much more in depth, as a result, despite paying more, he was very pleased indeed with what he got. In the states people will map for almost nothing. Lower overheads, higher volumes, more customers and a price war saw to that.
Like everything, companies charge for their products what the market will bear, whether it's cinema tickets, haircuts, white goods or automotive services. And like every other market, people are happy to pay for genuine quality and good service.
If you in paticular don't wish to pay a premium, that's up to you, but please do not be telling my present and future customers that they're not getting value for money, as in my experience their feedback suggests they are quite happy.
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17 February 2008, 05:37 PM
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Re-Mapping should not, IMHO, cost more than £200 - a 2 hour job rated at £100 per hour should be spot-on.
As an Electronics and Mechanical Designer I fail to see why it should cost anything more?? Maybe the Licences cost a pretty penny? But the actual job is simple .... again IMO.
As an Electronics and Mechanical Designer I fail to see why it should cost anything more?? Maybe the Licences cost a pretty penny? But the actual job is simple .... again IMO.