Gilesdwrc

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

SUBARU | SUBARU BOXER DIESEL




Anyone heard of this before??

How long till the diesel Impreza?

stilover

They've needed a Diesel version for too long.

What's wrong with having a Diesel in the line-up?

Phil

Diesel STi is comming

rbaz

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Wonder what a boxer Diesel will sound like

Slow noisy Diesels are a thing of the past. Some quick diesels out there now

satancom

Means I can have one as a company car.. My firm only allows diesel fleet cars

Paul666

My local dealer said that the WRX would be changed to a diesel after the STI arrived.

scoobynutta555

I don't know what all the crying is all about. There should have been a diesel Impreza several years ago. Typical of Subaru though for the last several years I suppose.

Scoobymart

It's definatly the way forward.

lordharding

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Yes as others have mentioned
It is the way forward for subaru

when we host the NBO 15 half the cars there will be diesel

If we did a poll on here the worst thing would be MPG

if each car did 35-45 we would all be a lot happier and richer too

harry_p1

About time

Scoob99

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[QUOTE=lordharding;7712005]Yes as others have mentioned
It is the way forward for subaru

when we host the NBO 15 half the cars there will be diesel

If we did a poll on here the worst thing would be MPG

if each car did 35-45 we would all be a lot happier and richer too[/QU


Whens that going to be?

scoobyboy

there is a thing about the diesel thats not great apparently every 1800 miles or so it does a learning thing where it cuts out each cylinder in turn for so many secs. this is so it makes sure it is spot on with it's fuel delivery and the whole thing lasts nearly a minute, imagine that sat at the lights when all of a sudden it drops down to 3 for nearly a minute! and runs and sounds as rough as.
it will cancel this if you start to move off but it will need to do it again at some point.

Microstar

Oil prices hit US$106 today, so petrol is sure to rise further. I'll bet on £1.50 a litre within 24 months. Coupled with Band G road tax, you won't be able to give away petrol turbo Subaru's in two years time and residual values will drop through the floor. Diesel engines are the only way forward long-term, IMHO.

rbaz

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But Diesel prices are linked to oil
Here in France Super Unleaded is cheaper than Diesel

Shark Man

Aye, I've rented this for the day:

Slow-*** smokey diesels: YouTube - Twin Blown and Quad Turbo Diesel Truck



(I wish )

Microstar

Yes, Diesel costs about 15% more to refine, so it usually costs a bit more per litre than petrol. However Diesel engines are a good deal more efficient than petrol engines, so you generally get at least 30% more mileage out of each litre. Overall they work out a good deal cheaper to run.

rbaz

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Dont tell everybody

They will want more for it especially G Brown

DCR59

Sorry I don't buy into this diesel STi idea.

I fully understand a diesel model in the Impreza / Legacy etc, range. It's been badly needed for a while.

However at 150bhp in the Legacy, and a rummoured 180 bhp in the Impreza it isn't enough for a performance model.

VW / Audi are now sitting with a 200bhp+ 2.0 diesel ready for their new models later this year. Held up because it would kill sales of their 3.0 diesels, until they get more power.
And Vauxhall who use Fiat diesels will soon have one at 220bhp.

This is the level a performance diesel "WRX" has to be at to warrant the name, and an STi should be more.

If you want a diesel hatchback at 180bhp, there's far better cars out there than a Subaru.

finalzero

Interesting to know.. I filled up at my local Shell earlier on, cost was £1.09 p/l which has come down by 3 pence.

Went to Tesco petrol station also local to me, part of the main Tesco supermarket. I didn't notice the petrol prices until I came back out of the shop, Tesco 99 was 1.07 pence, Diesel was 1.09 pence - bloody madness.

There was a tiime when Diesel fuel was almost half the price of petrol, now it's almost the price of 99/V-Power/Ultimate.

Bottom line the pricing has nothing to do with the environment and being 'greener' (whaterver the hell that actually means). The pricing is the knock-on affect of Bushes crusade and GB & Co. forcing a group of people to completely avoid getting car's or not using them as much.

Problem is this doesn't stop congestion, that exists because more people have car's now as it's a freedom statement when your driving your car by yourself. No one wants to take the bus or a train with such a poor track record in public services.

So it goes round in a circle, another group of people have to travel, they put up with paying the high prices and suffering. People complain about the prices but nothing gets done, everything from food to fuel is now more expensive and steadily rising.

Again nothing to do with being greener, there are far higher and worse poluting things out there than the exhaust of a car yet no one makes a fuss about them. Car's being driven properly on a commute or a scooby/evo enthusiast enjoying a day at the weekend down some tough B lanes.

Other issues have not been addressed like public services, these cause congestion and ultimately has a knock on affect on people (e.g someone takes their car because they were late on the bus last week or a tube was delayed 10 minutes etc). So more people take their car's in congested, built up area's where car's barely move any length of time so they just inefficiently burn their fuel and clog up the skies.

Why can't the UK take lessons from our european counterparts and copy what works for them? Would make things a whole lot easier and we wouldn't be stuck in the dark ages.

I saw an ausie video of the Legacy Diesel when I was at the head office last year and they had loads of posters/marketing materials touting the diesel engine around the head office floors.

I think it's a great idea, at least Subaru's way of saying look we can make diesels out of flat four engines, at least they got one thing right apart from the new STi

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B0DSKI

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Looking at how well the Seat Diesels went in the world touring car championship at the weekend i'd welcom a Diesel STi, should have some serious lown down grunt

mightyyid

The diesel in the Subaru range is just Legacy at the moment - drove one 2 weeks ago and it is a terrific engine. At the moment, demand is massively outstripping supply so over half of this years allocation is already sold. While there may be an Impreza diesel int he future, and it would make sense, it's a long way away as there are other models in the range more deserving of it.

As for talk of a Diesel STI, who made that one up? You may as well say there will be a diesel Focus RS - same principle shrouded in silliness...

Devils.Advocate

Read in a mag that we would have one as well

The Trooper 1815

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TG score 16/20 . What Car? 4 Stars. Lower emissions than the Mondeo and Passat rivals, 151g/kms to 170 g/kms.

Quieter inside on a run than the new Rolls!!!!!!

The engine is taking diesel refinement to another level due to not requiring balancer shafts.

Have booked a test drive in the Outback Diesel when it arrives at the same time as the Legacy. Forester will be next then the Impreza. It the strategy remember the 2.5 petrol lump? Legcay first then the other models.

Why is a performance edition necessary straight away, get the gremlins out first then get a 3.0 flat six out and that should do the job.

The Trooper 1815

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The BMW 530 d Police car is proving to be a real pain for boy racers, they just can,t get away.

It's not been made up either!

stilover

Was reading in Evo Magazine years ago. They had an interview with some CEO of a Car company, and he was saying back then that the future of "Performance" cars were Diesels. Even Ferrari have looked into this, although ruled it out as any near product for them.

Just look at how far Diesels have come in the past few years. Years ago 110BHP was seen as powerful for a Diesel car. Audi now have a 230BHP 3.0 litre with more powerful versions to come.
Try getting past say a A5 3.0TDI on a short/medium straight when the guy has his foot down. You won't.
They reccon it's only a matter of time before they can get more revs out of Diesel cars too.

The future is smokey, the future is Diesel.

Hell, even I'm thinking of getting a Diesel for my next car, and I swore years ago I'd never buy a Diesel no matter what.

Shark Man

The thing is, historically, there is nothing really that special about modern diesel engines. So, why did it take so long for manuafacturers to start upping the power outputs? The technology for the fueling system to create high performance diesels has existed since the 1970's (certainly for Pumpe-Düse at least). And only just now are they starting to use alloy blocks, 4+ valves per cylinder, and alloy cylinder heads with x-flow designs in mainstream production. All of which has existed since the 1920's.

Seems barmy that a diesel engine which NEEDS maximum airflow to achieive optimum output and maintain clean burning went for so long using restrictive cylinder head designs

Next step: Bring back 2-stroke diesels! These things would be superb in a performance automotive application

fattb

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1st Oct - 31st Dec = 2600 points=1300 litres nearly 5000 miles so around 17.5 mpg

Should i change for a diesel ?

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Nah i'm having way too much fun

Blueblaster

The "I'm having too much fun argument" won't work for much longer. I believe in some parts of the country superunleaded has already reached the £1.20/litre price I predicted a couple of months ago. Now we are all used to to £1+ litre there is very little to stop the price continuing to rise. The fun that people talk about is going to get so expensive that the money would be better spent somewhere else.

You're also going to have to start thinking about the residual value of your gas guzzler because the second hand market is going to dry up. How many people come on this site and say they have 5-10 grand to spend on a scooby? Loads is the answer. How many of these will be able to afford the petrol if they can only just afford the car. If they use their car as anything other than a weekend play thing then the cost of running it will far exceed the purchase price. Do yourselves a favour and make the switch now.

stilover

With increasing petrol prices and the "having too much fun to change" argument, the only way to have a high performance petrol care is to have one just for weekends. Having a more economical run about for the daily commute to work & back.

Unless you earn enough not worry about it. Even then just because you can afford to, doesn't mean you enjoy paying soo much for petrol.

GazTheHat

I do just that, and the commute is almost as much fun as the weekend drive.