battlescoob

hi thinkin about gettin tsl 333 power upgrade done on my sti ppp like to hear from any body who has had this upgrade never used tsl before are they good thanks

F1 CJE UK

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they are very good, i have neveer used them but i no that paul from zen does some of there mapping and he is one of the very best.... where are you from

battlescoob

im from goole near doncaster

dazzlers82

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my mate had this upgrade done to his scooby with a few extra bits i think they done a great job an he got some good figures to id say go for it

JimmyBFC

Id wager it could be done for slightly cheaper than they quote, my 03 sti ppp made 320 with just a map, some slight alterations might give you that extra few horses, although they get the torque on a par nearly, which is good.

nescoob1

Its good and sounds the business, not the cheapest but great quality, had this on my 02 Sti....but in the end you'll always want more power and torque

RLE

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Agree with the above. I originally had the 333 pack but wasn't overly impressed if I am honest. In the end I went for more power.

If 330 is your target then its not too bad but if you plan to go bigger there are certainly better routes to go down.

battlescoob

did you find the 333 alot better than ppp not botherd about alot more power want it to be reliable

RLE

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sure is quicker but if you have the ppp already you can probably get around 330 bhp with a remap of the existing ecu (Ecutek).

Whats the price of the TSL333 package these days?
Remap with someone like Bob Rawle would be my recommendation.

battlescoob

ive got ppp fitted tsl want 800+vat for 333 would you get 330 with just a remap no other mods thanks

RLE

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Yes. TSL fitted the the exhaust, panel filter and remap on mine. Hated the loud exhaust so the original Prodrive system was put back on. Did 332 bhp on the RR with 292lbs torque.

In the end the car was literally ppp purely with a remap and green panel filter. Cost or remap will obviously be less than TSL 333 price but will still exceed £500.00 as you will need to purchase the Ecutec license.

JohnD

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I had my 03 STi PPP re-mapped by TSL (Richard Bulmer) No other mods and retaining the PPP exhaust, I got 340 on Power Engineering rollers (If you can believe RR's?) A much nicer car afterwards for just the cost of the re-map.
JohnD

matt-c

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Hmm, Powerstation only quote 320hp for similar mods, any idea why ?

JimmyBFC

mine only made 320bhp, not sure if they don't feel it safe to push it upto that or the plain fact that some cars love the extra power and some...bloody mine...don't...:-( The thing is, many sti ppp do not run the 305hp it states, so if mine was running 285/290 before, then 320 aint such a bad power rise, coupled with the fact its more responsive and fuel consumption is now excellent, a marked improvement alone, i think this is one good reason to have a re-map in the 1st place, the running and efficiency is a lot better. Id be interested to see why JohnD's car fetched 240hp when most only get the 320 as mine did.....lol...yes I am jealous!

JimmyBFC

Just a quick question (sorry for hijack)

When you get the car mapped and get the ECUTEK license, do you get this on paper? what I mena is, the clinic did mine, but gave me nothing to say id had it doen except the dyno printout, what if I took it elsewhere? I wouldn't have any proof id purchased the license.......unless scoobyclinic use some form of their own - map wise?

gallois

an ecutek licence is applied to the ecu, i.e. if it has been mapped by an ecutek mapper, it is licenced, although iirc the mapper can also lock the ecu so only they can remap, although i am not sure if this does happen.

dunx

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No paper licence, just entered into the ecu !

Battlescoob, mine's being re-re-mapped by the JGM (JollyGreenMonster) on May 26 th (the day after ScoobyShootOut)
There is a group buy running on here, so you will save a bit of money.
He's also very helpful with up-grade suggestions. I would suggest a set of headers(un-equal length manifold) to get you nearer 360 bhp.

DunxC

P.S. Re-above, locking the ecu ONLY means that the map cannot be altered, ONLY replaced, if another mapper needs to play...

p1doc

i have 333 with chargecooler mapped by richard bulmer very nice very driveable in town and great on the open road but again if ALL you want is 333 fine but if you want more have rethink like rle.evo quoted 333 as best map out of all the ppp alikes way back in 2004?
martin
plus mine has tsl decals so at least 380bhp pmsl

terzo204

My car has PPP, a de-resonated centre section and ECUTEK remap and this made 313/281 on Powerstations rollers. To upgrade to the TSL 333 (panel filter and re-map) this was quoted at £390 plus VAT, making it £458.

Remember that an STI PPP will have 305 PS and not 305 BHP. I am told it will have 300BHP at the most. Some of the claims for a remapped PPP STI making 340 is a bit optimistic IMHO, although there is a lot of variance in the rollers so I understand.

I fully intend to upgrade to the TSL 333 over the summer as it will:

1. Give more power; and
2. Is a recognised and respected tuning package that will help at resale.

To answer the OP's question, I would definately get the TSL pack as the car runs so much better after the remap and you will notice a difference in how the car idles, drives around town and under acceleration. You will also get better MPG - What more do you want!!

Hope this helps.

terzo204

Powerstations rollers are more conservative than others (so I understand)

fattb

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Bob Rawle did mine, only mods were an STI panel filter and the standard PPP kit on an '05

336/340 according to Bobs delta dash

battlescoob

does the de -resonated centre pipe make the car any noisey

New_scooby_04

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If unresonated, yes, more of a drone.

If resonated, no, not appreciably!

Ns04

terzo204

With respect, that seams a bit optimistic to me.

urban

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Apparently the MY05's are the best of the bunch from what I'm told.

My own car for example MY05 UK STI with PPP was remapped by Andy Forrest.
I did two power runs after the map to get figures, and they are very close to what is posted here.
337bhp 324lbft
335bhp 328 lbft


Shaun

New_scooby_04

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Bob is just that good mate!

Seriously though, Delta Dash outputs aren't renowned for being optimistic; they are usually within a few bhp of a conservative RR, but that's a whole other can of worms!!!

fattb

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I'm going to an RR day at the weekend with some er Audi TT mates at Torque of the Devil, if i get a chance to go on the rollers i will, But dynos can be lotterys anyway, and maybe so is Delta dash, however weather conditions, fuel, warm/cold transmission, tyre PSI are all meant to make a difference

All i know is it go's way better than the PPP using butt dyno, which is IMO the most accurate way to measure

New_scooby_04

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The most relevant and meaningful figures are the sector times from the DD chart mate: that indicates how fast your car i.e. how the figures translate into real world performance! The same car's outputs could vary considerably on the same RR between different days, but the real test is when the rubber hits the road: that's when the headline figures count for much less!

PS Audi TT mates????? Gayer!!!!

PPS Torque of the devil sounds famililar... Not based in Keighly is it?

fattb

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Uxbridge just up the road from Power Engineering

terzo204

Totally agree, there is too much variation in rolling roads for my liking. What really matters is whether or not it's actually quicker or not

BTW Audi TT mates.........