tim's wrx

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SqeekyMclean

lol VW Golf TDI is worth more

Scoob99

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Still ****e anyway

The Zohan

14k - shocking!

stilover

I'd rather have the Golf.

superdood0

iTrader: (1)

I'd spend the 14K on a decent 2nd hand STI....

404BHP

There still to much,there a crap car.....

lordharding

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absolute bargain car for 14k

only thing i felt wrong on a testdrive was too soft the springs which im sure by now someone has come up with a solution to that problem

but...14k surely for a brand new car with great performance what is really ...better?

new Sti at 28k double the price?

vindaloo

I'd have one for the engine and its potential.
Don't know about the practicalities of these new fangled things. But I'm one to talk. My P1 is hardly the most practical thing on the planet.

Though I've managed to carry several 100weight of rocks/crap and a set of 2'x4' plywood sheets home in it.

J.

HOWY

Great value for money what else can you get that's a powerful car with 4WD
certainly not a golf!

Mifo

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isnt the wrx already being fased out??
Ive heard the diesel is suposed to be replacing it .

personally I think they should hurry up with the next version.

Luminous

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its fugly and not very fast, yet taxed to hell and drinks fuel. Its a big ask to get someone to part money for one.

You can get a 2.0 Clio for reasonable money that is not that much slower, but a lot lot cheaper to run. And its more fun. They really did drop a big one on this new car, all imo of course.

stolen_monkey

I'll agree with that.
We own a 2003 172 and a 2003 WRX. Both of those cars equate to the value of that new one! Both look better and are a better ride. all imo of course

Blueblaster

Regardless of whether you like it or not it does rather beg the question, why would anyone buy one from a dealer? With that kind of discount all talk of residuals is irrelevant. If you think about it for a mo, buy for £14k, run for 3 years and then trade in for, say £5K means a total loss of £9k. That's not bad going for that kind of car and the numbers are probably unfairly pessimistic. Worth thinking about....

scoobynutta555

I wouldn't buy one even if it was under £10k.

Blueblaster

Maybe not, but I defy anyone to find a better value NEW (THAT MEANS NOT USED) car. That is a lot of car for £14k.

Luminous

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Well, it is a lot of car, but it is also a lot of liability. Our gov have already retrospectively increased car taxes. This thing is 2.5 litres and is in the worst group you can get, and is 4x4. If there is any tax hike, its going to get it. Its also thirsty, so costly to run.

Resale value could be really low, there are lots of people right now not able to sell thirty cars on. I dont think it will get any better, and that WRX is a lot worse than the faster more frugal competition

Blueblaster

True, but keep it for 5 years and then throw it away. Still acceptable depreciation. Not trying to be argumentative, but rather make the point that this is one of the few occasions where buying a performance car might actually make a little bit of sense.

scoobynutta555

So what if it's new. After a year of owning it the residuals will drop faster than anything else in it's price range. Coupled with high taxes, a thirsty habit and performance that a tdi could manage. In short you'd be bonkers to even think about buying this model. It's a dead duck. If they thought they could charge more it would be priced at the level of the last classics 8 years ago, circa £20k. Instead they've probably got forecourts overflowing with them at a discount price.

Blueblaster

I can't help feeling you're missing the point. A lot of people on this site (and you may be one) have a real thing against buying a new car. For others, me included, getting a brand new car is worth paying a premium for. If you're going to keep it for 5 years then who cares what the depreciation is? Less than 3 grand a year for a new car (that isn't a cheapo supermini) is more than acceptable. If you don't do many miles the crap fuel consumption doesn't matter either.

For the right person this car represents an excellent buy at this price.

scoobynutta555

I'm missing no point at all. I bought a new P1 8 years ago and sold it after 4 years at 'only' a loss of 14k. Funnily enough the same amount you'd use and throw away. I'd rather have a proper performance car and lose 14k than the car you've just described.

IMHO unless you're either minted or a complete mug if 3k plus depreciation per year is 'more than acceptable'. I was the mug, but at least I was one in style

lordharding

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My classic brand new in 2000 was £22750 although i was very lucky and got a cancelled order for 20k worth now 4k aprox

16k loss in 8 years = 2k per year

new 2008 14 k

if it lasted 7 years 2 k per year which is cheap motoring at £38 per week

but realistically i could run one into the ground for ten years £27 a week

surely for aprox £100 per month it is the

performance bargain of the decade and lets face it Subaru built quality would be better then renault etc although parts are dearer there is plenty of subaru specialists that do a decent job for reasonable rates


and who cares about the fuel if you dont do a big mileage but like to smile ""

Blueblaster

Well I have to disagree - you are totally missing the point. Your P1 cost more than double the price of this WRX. In your example the depreciation is irrelevant because, more than likely, the person who is interested in this deal doesn't have another fifteen grand to spend.

Also comparing the P1, which was a car very much in demand in its time, with the WRX is like comparing chalk and cheese.

And, show me a car that you can buy new for less than £20k that won't lose ROUGHLY 3 grand a year over 5 years. It's standard deprecation - something people on this site seem blissfully unaware of because so many of you moan when you try and sell your car for the same amount that you paid for it.

I'll say it again, show me a better car that you can buy NEW for £14k. I'm not interested in any subjective cr@p about looks. I want to know where I can find a better deal than a 200bhp, 4wd family hatch from one of the most respected manufacturers available today.

GavinE

I agree totally, theres nothing for 14k 'NEW' that even comes close. Ugly or not, thats a cheap car!

Scoobyspanners

Knock another 10K off and I would get one for the Wife. Wait 3 Years and that's what it will be worth I think........... 4K.

Blueblaster

So it'll have pretty much the same residuals as all it's competitors then?

scoobynutta555

I'll say it again, so what if its new. There's an absolute slew of cars that can be bought for 14k that will not lose half as much depreciation, will be better cars, will be faster cars and will be cheaper to run. Tell me what's the big deal of buying a brand new car except for the warranty. I'll tell you you'll lose more money driving off the forecourt even at 14k than you'll spend on any repairs on the same car a year or two older. Hence, only a complete mug would buy this car knowing the amount of money you'll lose on it.

Also there will be better cars out there new for 14k, granted they won't be 200 bhp 4x4's but does this make them 'better' cars? I think not.

The market is showing that cars like this won't be around much longer due to emissions taxes. You'll be left with the fastest petrol models like the sti and the rest will be low powered petrols or better diesels.

For your comparisoin on depreciation for 14k, have a look at any diesel, even a Fabia vrs which is less than 14k.

Blueblaster

Oh for goodness sake . OK, I'll tell you why I don't want a used car. Read the posts of current owners of Imprezas on this forum when they talk about their driving experiences. A lot of them drive like total w@nkers on the road and then drive even harder on the track. I do not want to risk owning a car that has been mistreated by one of these numbskulls. I also like buying a new car and don't want a used one. I want a new one. End of.

Secondly, this is not a thread about new vs second hand. It is about the terrific value of a £14k brand new WRX.

Your posts state lots of facts that I don't disagree with. The problem is that they have nothing to do with this subject. You've now gone off on a tangent about diesels in an attempt to prove me wrong. For someone looking for a high performance petrol car that can transport the family the Fabia vRS ticks virtually none of the boxes.

You clearly have an issue about buying new cars. Yes, they depreciate like hell and yes, you will find better value in the classifieds. But, you clearly cannot come up with a better value NEW car in this category. Stick to the facts - show me a better deal on a comparable vehicle.

suretrack

I do have a WRX MY08 surely is a great car, Subaru have a class of their own, who said that Golf is better than WRX surly he do not know what he is talking about

scoobynutta555

It's not teriffic value though! The prices are sliding ever downwards as demand has crashed, and they'll fall even further than they are now. How on Earth you don't grasp the simple economics Heaven only knows. I have countered your teriffic value nonsense with the undeniable fact that a lot of used cars are far and away better value. I have also said there are many new cars that cost the same that don't depreciate as much, the vrs an example of. Yes there are no comparable NEW cars with 4x4 with 200 bhp, do you think there might be a reason why this is so? Yes no-one is buying them and it's a shrinking market so nobody else is building them. All the other manufacturers are building front wheel drive cars with higher bhp, even diesel cars. I don't know how long you've been on the Impreza scene, but I owned Imprezas when they were untouchable value given their performance, over 10 years ago. Sadly, things have moved on and left Subaru and their range well behind; which is why many long term owners of Imprezas stick to the classic rather than 'upgrading'.

Again, as things stand with emissions taxes, the very top of the range of Imprezas will have a future. The rest of their Imprezas will disappear and either be replaced by low powered petrol cars or more powerful diesels.

5 of the 6 Imprezas I have bought have been second hand. Good luck to you if you're only interested in new cars in the current Subaru range, it's either a rich mans game or a mugs one though.


You said previously That's why I have given an example of the vrs. I never compared the vrs against the Impreza, you did. All I have said about the vrs is that it's a car that costs less than 20k and won't lose 3k a year over 5 years. IMHO the vrs is the more desirable car even if you take out the depreciation.

I'm quite entitled to bring second hand cars into your value for money discussion as there was a post before yours that mentioned a second hand car being better value. Pick and choose what you regard as the 'facts' of the thread but don't impose onto others what you feel should be the 'facts'.

While I'm here for the final time, I'm none too impressed by your comment about most classic owners drive like w@nkers and are numbskulls.

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