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Old 28 January 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Castle coombe faces closure please sign the partition to keep it going.
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Old 28 January 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Have just signed. All the best with your petition, Mike
Old 28 January 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Done..
Old 28 January 2009 | 11:23 AM
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Is this a current issue? The petition says:

"Whilst the Order covers all race days, the principle clause will prevent us, after 2005, running the British formula 3 and GT Championships."
Old 28 January 2009 | 11:34 AM
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After the precedent set by Croft losing their appeal at the beginning of this week times are going to get tough for a lot of the smaller circuits.

I am afraid they may have opened the flood gates for noise nuisance cases against many of our favourite UK venues
Old 28 January 2009 | 11:44 AM
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one way to shut these dogooders up would be to question what would be granted by way of planning afterwards...

Where I am presently working for example, planning was strenuously objected to by the local residents for an ALDI supermarket next door to our development, the NIMBY locals were feeling all smug until the government stated in court that should ALDI fail at appeal then a young offenders institute would be given the green light immediately after.
Locals all rallied and are now champions for the ALDI cause.

So, if a rumour was to be started that something less than desireable would be put in its place then you might find objections are fewer and fewer until the cause dies completely.

That Combe petition is donkey's old btw
Old 28 January 2009 | 12:19 PM
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<Multiple flamesuits on> ... but rather than foaming at the mouth....

It's probably accurate to state that race tracks are getting used more today than they have in the past. In the past, race meetings, private company/team testing, the odd club or magazine meet. Apart from the race days, most other noisey activity would be confined to working hours during the week.

If you add trackdays to the above, you probably find that most/all weekends now have some form of noisey activities. Noise occurs more regularly during the day and during the weekend and probably on both days of the weekend.

IMO if long term home owners and residents complain of the noise then maybe they have a point. Maybe they're point is that these days, it's hard to find any day on the weekend when there is NOT noise from the track.

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Old 28 January 2009 | 12:25 PM
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As andyc states , why does the petition mention 2005 !!!!

Looks out of date to me.
Old 28 January 2009 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
It's probably accurate to state that race tracks are getting used more today than they have in the past. In the past, race meetings, private company/team testing, the odd club or magazine meet.
Without question you are correct. Decisions always end up limiting race days though.....
Old 28 January 2009 | 01:47 PM
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is this not 4 years behind the times
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
Is this a current issue? The petition says:2005
Originally Posted by Peanuts
That Combe petition is donkey's old btw
Originally Posted by Gary C
As andyc states , why does the petition mention 2005 !!!!

Looks out of date to me.
Are you?
Old 28 January 2009 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
<Multiple flamesuits on> ... but rather than foaming at the mouth....

It's probably accurate to state that race tracks are getting used more today than they have in the past. In the past, race meetings, private company/team testing, the odd club or magazine meet. Apart from the race days, most other noisey activity would be confined to working hours during the week.

If you add trackdays to the above, you probably find that most/all weekends now have some form of noisey activities. Noise occurs more regularly during the day and during the weekend and probably on both days of the weekend.

IMO if long term home owners and residents complain of the noise then maybe they have a point. Maybe they're point is that these days, it's hard to find any day on the weekend when there is NOT noise from the track.

J.
A very valid point but race circuits have to make money and they cost a lot more to operate these days with the ever increasing safety requirements (quite right too) and the cost of public liability insurance. Then 'we' either as competitors or spectators demand better facilities when we go racing and all this has to be paid for and most circuits do this these days by running track days, experience days and race schools.

IMHO you should not be allowed to move into the vicinity of anything be it a church and complain about the bells, a farm and complain about the **** crowing, an airport or a race circuit and then complain about the noise of the activities there.
Old 28 January 2009 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by redragon
is this not 4 years behind the times
The Castle Combe petition is out of date but this thread is VERY topical due to Court of Appeal ruling against Croft on Monday. It is front page news on this weeks Motorsport News and the MSA have vowed to do everything in their power to help Croft overturn the ruling.
Old 28 January 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Without question you are correct. Decisions always end up limiting race days though.....
It will limit club race days anyway as any circuit in this position will have to select its more profitable race weekends so whilst at Croft things such as BTCC and F3 will probably be safe, club meetings will be cut back.

The other area it will probably impact on is testing. Thruxton for example already only have I think 2 Test Days a year due the number of days of noisy running they are restricted to.

Then at Donington Park you have the ridiculous situation where for BTCC and BGT/F3 the test day is on Thursday with a 'dead' day on Friday with the race weekend over the Saturday and Sunday because they are not allowed 3 consecutive days of noisy running. This is a phenomenal waste of time and money for teams as it is usually impractical to travel home for the one day meaning extra hotel and food costs etc.,.. not to mention time off work for those who racing is not also their every day job. (At pretty much every other circuit the race weekend is Friday/Saturday/Sunday)
Old 28 January 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Whilst heavy 747s land 500 metres away every day of the week...
Old 28 January 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Done
Old 28 January 2009 | 08:43 PM
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This Is Wiltshire - Circuit pulls plug on F3 noise battle
Old 29 January 2009 | 12:55 AM
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SIGNED

and posted link on The British Rally Forum

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Old 29 January 2009 | 10:00 AM
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its an ongoing thing but has picked up pace recently
Old 29 January 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Thought I signed something similar a few years back. IIRC its was mostly a few newcomers to the village kicking up a fuss. Was unaware Croft was under threat.

I'm near Dunsfold where Top Gear is filmed - theres been loads of complaint about car noise during filming and at weekends. In this case its from people who can't remember the Harriers that used to be built and tested there.
Old 29 January 2009 | 01:57 PM
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i can understand the complaints, especialy if people are living there before the circuit opens.

however, you move to an area with a race track, well thats tough, your choice where to live.
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wonder how many people are gonna try jumping on the bandwagon? .... in theory the ruling could be applied to all kinds of other scenarios too i guess .... it's not enough that we're rapidly becoming a big brother police state, now we're rapidly on target to become a litigation capital catering to whims of ignorant, small minded, selfish and arrogant individuals who believe the world revolves around and should bow down before them and their jaded, biased opinions .... so much for the "free country" bit


*scoobymad wanders off to sue the nearby school for letting the children scream too loudly at playtime but first must pay his £40 fixed penalty for breathing and his £80 fine for walking in a manner other than deemed appropriate as staggering is offensive*
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