Is a BOV a waste of money?
01 April 2009, 09:01 PM
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Is a BOV a waste of money?
I am considering fitting an externally venting valve to my standard '97 WRX import wagon and have recently read a few articles questioning their value, this one in particular:-
..."it is the AutoSpeed editorial team's viewpoint that BOVs are largely a waste of money, and that the factory BOV should be replaced only if it leaks under boost (resulting in less boost than would otherwise be possible), or an aftermarket turbo is being used. When an aftermarket BOV is fitted to a car retaining airflow meter management, it should be of the plumb-back type."
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I am aware that it's not going to improve the performance much, if any but I love the 'whoosh' sound they give...
However, if it's going to cause me problems or decrease performance, I'm not sure it's worthwhile. I don't really know much about them to be honest and am not very mechanically minded unfortunately
, what's the general concensus/opinions on Dump valves in general?
..."it is the AutoSpeed editorial team's viewpoint that BOVs are largely a waste of money, and that the factory BOV should be replaced only if it leaks under boost (resulting in less boost than would otherwise be possible), or an aftermarket turbo is being used. When an aftermarket BOV is fitted to a car retaining airflow meter management, it should be of the plumb-back type."
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I am aware that it's not going to improve the performance much, if any but I love the 'whoosh' sound they give...
However, if it's going to cause me problems or decrease performance, I'm not sure it's worthwhile. I don't really know much about them to be honest and am not very mechanically minded unfortunately
, what's the general concensus/opinions on Dump valves in general?
01 April 2009, 09:04 PM
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it depends on what the owner wants if you like the noise and want one go for it. id recommend an hks ssqv loudest on the market, iv experimented with the factory one and hks back and force didnt notice and difference in both hks worked fine no problems at all with it
01 April 2009, 09:09 PM
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Best get a flame suit ready mate!
Are BOV's bad? matter of opinion.. The quote you made there is spot on.. THe standard recirculating BOV is the best match for the impreza! If it's leaking/failing to hold boost then aftermarket one can improve performance but make sure it's a recirculating type. Not whooshy!
Now for whooshy ones. (VTA) bottom line.. Yes they are bad for your car.. Are they good/bad for performance? Well they need to be matched to the spec of the car.. Some are adjustable and as long as it's adjusted properly can in theory give you better gear changes if the standard one was not 100%.. However They are harmful to the engine.. The Engine management relies alot on monitorin the air doign through the system. on a VTA valve air is released out of hte system when you lift off the gas.. And for a split second the engine doesn't receive the amount of air it's expects to which means a MUCH richer air fuel mix.. If unburnt the fuel will infact stick in the cylinders and over time can spoil the oil from doing it's job and rot away teh seals on the engine. Leavign hefty internal damage!!
Adjusting throttle tip-in on the ECU map can "help" reduce this problem but it cant remove it! VTA will be damaging teh engine over time. MOre regular oil changes will probably be necessary to make sure teh oil is clean and not washed..
However.. I don't recall ever hearing about an engine blowing as a result of the VTA valve.. It wont be doing it any good though...
Are BOV's bad? matter of opinion.. The quote you made there is spot on.. THe standard recirculating BOV is the best match for the impreza! If it's leaking/failing to hold boost then aftermarket one can improve performance but make sure it's a recirculating type. Not whooshy!
Now for whooshy ones. (VTA) bottom line.. Yes they are bad for your car.. Are they good/bad for performance? Well they need to be matched to the spec of the car.. Some are adjustable and as long as it's adjusted properly can in theory give you better gear changes if the standard one was not 100%.. However They are harmful to the engine.. The Engine management relies alot on monitorin the air doign through the system. on a VTA valve air is released out of hte system when you lift off the gas.. And for a split second the engine doesn't receive the amount of air it's expects to which means a MUCH richer air fuel mix.. If unburnt the fuel will infact stick in the cylinders and over time can spoil the oil from doing it's job and rot away teh seals on the engine. Leavign hefty internal damage!!
Adjusting throttle tip-in on the ECU map can "help" reduce this problem but it cant remove it! VTA will be damaging teh engine over time. MOre regular oil changes will probably be necessary to make sure teh oil is clean and not washed..
However.. I don't recall ever hearing about an engine blowing as a result of the VTA valve.. It wont be doing it any good though...
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Best get a flame suit ready mate!
Are BOV's bad? matter of opinion.. The quote you made there is spot on.. THe standard recirculating BOV is the best match for the impreza! If it's leaking/failing to hold boost then aftermarket one can improve performance but make sure it's a recirculating type. Not whooshy!
Now for whooshy ones. (VTA) bottom line.. Yes they are bad for your car.. Are they good/bad for performance? Well they need to be matched to the spec of the car.. Some are adjustable and as long as it's adjusted properly can in theory give you better gear changes if the standard one was not 100%.. However They are harmful to the engine.. The Engine management relies alot on monitorin the air doign through the system. on a VTA valve air is released out of hte system when you lift off the gas.. And for a split second the engine doesn't receive the amount of air it's expects to which means a MUCH richer air fuel mix.. If unburnt the fuel will infact stick in the cylinders and over time can spoil the oil from doing it's job and rot away teh seals on the engine. Leavign hefty internal damage!!
Adjusting throttle tip-in on the ECU map can "help" reduce this problem but it cant remove it! VTA will be damaging teh engine over time. MOre regular oil changes will probably be necessary to make sure teh oil is clean and not washed..
However.. I don't recall ever hearing about an engine blowing as a result of the VTA valve.. It wont be doing it any good though...
Are BOV's bad? matter of opinion.. The quote you made there is spot on.. THe standard recirculating BOV is the best match for the impreza! If it's leaking/failing to hold boost then aftermarket one can improve performance but make sure it's a recirculating type. Not whooshy!
Now for whooshy ones. (VTA) bottom line.. Yes they are bad for your car.. Are they good/bad for performance? Well they need to be matched to the spec of the car.. Some are adjustable and as long as it's adjusted properly can in theory give you better gear changes if the standard one was not 100%.. However They are harmful to the engine.. The Engine management relies alot on monitorin the air doign through the system. on a VTA valve air is released out of hte system when you lift off the gas.. And for a split second the engine doesn't receive the amount of air it's expects to which means a MUCH richer air fuel mix.. If unburnt the fuel will infact stick in the cylinders and over time can spoil the oil from doing it's job and rot away teh seals on the engine. Leavign hefty internal damage!!
Adjusting throttle tip-in on the ECU map can "help" reduce this problem but it cant remove it! VTA will be damaging teh engine over time. MOre regular oil changes will probably be necessary to make sure teh oil is clean and not washed..
However.. I don't recall ever hearing about an engine blowing as a result of the VTA valve.. It wont be doing it any good though...
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Stick to the original valve the car will run much smoother and probably give better MPG my V3 STI was a totally different car when I removed the BOV 100% better.
01 April 2009, 10:52 PM
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isn't it also true that lots of people run them without any issues at all!!
i'm looking to put one on mine purely cause i like the noise!!
but am in two minds as to or not and if i did would the bailey one be good??
or the turbosmart dual port one??
anybody help me out
Nick.
i'm looking to put one on mine purely cause i like the noise!!
but am in two minds as to or not and if i did would the bailey one be good??
or the turbosmart dual port one??
anybody help me out
Nick.
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Purely a matter of personal taste, imho.
My car runs fine, the tiny bit of extra fuel will never manage to damage anything.
I have a silicon inlet on my (bigger) turbo and that makes far more noise than the DV, mine is fitted with a hard spring, so only works when "pressing-on".
A vital safety device, to warn pedestrians of your approach, imho !
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My car runs fine, the tiny bit of extra fuel will never manage to damage anything.
I have a silicon inlet on my (bigger) turbo and that makes far more noise than the DV, mine is fitted with a hard spring, so only works when "pressing-on".
A vital safety device, to warn pedestrians of your approach, imho !
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Mine is coming off had it about year, bored of it now, I think an induction kit with a bit chatter wil sound miles better
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02 April 2009, 11:28 AM
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I ran a vta for about 8 months but removed it recently once I had got the noise out of my system .... 
my car is sooooo much smoother running the standard dv, and is better on fuel too. Its only a 5 min job to swap over so you can always swap over as and when you fancy a change
my car is sooooo much smoother running the standard dv, and is better on fuel too. Its only a 5 min job to swap over so you can always swap over as and when you fancy a change
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Personally, I think:
1.If you want everyone to hear you, or you just want to make the noise for show, then its not a waste of money, because it will be loud and people will hear it... mission accomplished
2. If you want it for any kind of performance reasons, you are better off just getting a cone-type air filter, sticking that on, and keeping the stock BOV. That way you will get the noise, and the air filter will gain you a little power, so in this case, buying a BOV would be a waste of money
1.If you want everyone to hear you, or you just want to make the noise for show, then its not a waste of money, because it will be loud and people will hear it... mission accomplished
2. If you want it for any kind of performance reasons, you are better off just getting a cone-type air filter, sticking that on, and keeping the stock BOV. That way you will get the noise, and the air filter will gain you a little power, so in this case, buying a BOV would be a waste of money
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Personally, I think:
1.If you want everyone to hear you, or you just want to make the noise for show, then its not a waste of money, because it will be loud and people will hear it... mission accomplished
2. If you want it for any kind of performance reasons, you are better off just getting a cone-type air filter, sticking that on, and keeping the stock BOV. That way you will get the noise, and the air filter will gain you a little power, so in this case, buying a BOV would be a waste of money
1.If you want everyone to hear you, or you just want to make the noise for show, then its not a waste of money, because it will be loud and people will hear it... mission accomplished
2. If you want it for any kind of performance reasons, you are better off just getting a cone-type air filter, sticking that on, and keeping the stock BOV. That way you will get the noise, and the air filter will gain you a little power, so in this case, buying a BOV would be a waste of money
not convinced by point 2.
will sucking hot air from the engine bay really give you more power?
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