Any ideas on this one folks. I used to own a WRX with PPP fitted, i have just bought a Focus ST and people have been asking me how they compare. Its 18 month since i owned the Scooby (I took time out with a Land Rover ). The Scooby seemed to be quicker off the line but once moving this St seems as quick if not quicker I didnt buy the ST just for speed, so to be honnest i am not bothered either way.

Also guy from Ford says that if you go to a Volvo dealer they can simply remap the ST to give the full 275BHP that the Volvo car has. Is he correct or talking poo????

 

I've heard the Dreamscience ST225 plug and play mod is very popular with FST drivers. Costs around £450 and will take you to about 270BHP. Try posting in 'Other Marques' about the dreamscience mod. Theres a member on here called Dreamweaver, he is using it on his ST.
(as for the original question, surely you're the best person to answer that having had both cars....?)

 

Running dreamsceince on my ST and it makes it the car it should have been. Have a look on ebay I bought mine for £300 delivered. Seriously the difference is day and night.

 

Does it affect the warranty? The Scooby felt a lot more glued to the wall, i think the ST might be quicker. It just seems to take off at 4500rpm

 

I cannot comment on a wrx with ppp, but having been a passenger in a standard newage sti from a rolling start against a standard ST, the ST was left for dead. Just my 2pence

 

Thats a no brainer, a standard scooby (without ppp) will outstrip a Focus ST any day of the week.I've owned both and the Focus,albeit a very nice car,can't keep up with a scoob

 

Ive got about 270 ish hp in my wrx, I think the wrx ppp is 260??.

Comparing it to my mates st , it is quicker off the line but once up to speed not much in it.

Take them down a wet country road though and the subaru takes the victory every time.

 

when i had my wrx new with no mods, me and a focus st had a little play off a roundabout, i couldn't pull away until speeds were approaching *** then i started creeping away, i gave up before silly speeds but he kept going, like a nutter disappearing into the distance. With 290bhp i have yet to have a play, but i suspect the outcome would be in the favour of the PPP.

 

Std v std, I'd probably say even stevens, modded v modded, well how longs a piece of string..? lol..!

I've walked all over several mapped/chipped FST in my WRX, but my WRX isn't standard..

One thing I would say is once you start modding both cars above a certain level (~300 imho) the wrx is going to be more able to use the extra power without traction issues. The focus however has the better basic chassis.

A chipped/modded c270 FST and a WRX ppp will probably be quite even, maybe slightly in the FST's favour if the PPP isn't up to much, which TBH most aren't..! Now if you'd spent the £1800 on other mods, instead of a PPP, I'd quite happily favour the WRX..

 

my wrx has few mods and ecutek'd and would leave an st focus, iv been in an st focus and doesnt match the performace of a subaru wrx or sti

 

Could try Don if your looking for remap, he's volvo based but seen as the ST is a volvo engine he maybe able to help. We've had 3 cars done by him and never had a problem.

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How can you compare a WRX to a STI The WRX standard is pretty tame, why do you think i bought the PPP.

 

On a dry twisty road with varying cambers I would put my money on the Focus. They are in a different league handling wise compared to a WRX. The Focus has a better chassis than any Subaru in my opinion.

 

And here's clip of your average Focus to prove the point.

YouTube - AG Motorsport

 

WRX With PPP fitted is quicker! I know this for a 100% FACT as my best mate has a Focus ST

 

what are you talking about i didnt compare a wrx to an sti? i said my ecutek tuned wrx with mods would leave a focus st and a focus st doesnt compare to even a wrx or an sti, and i can even compare a wrx to an sti as my ecutek remapped hawkeye sat with a ppp sti blob eye, iv been in a focus st and doesnt go like a wrx or an sti would

 

Unless you've done plenty of other mods your ecutek'd wrx should not be keeping with an STI with PPP.

Mine was poor but it still made 295 on the rollers (should have been 305), a std wrx should be 226, if you could get a 70hp boost from just a remap I'd be blooming amazed.

Often driver ability and willing to push it makes a bigger difference.

 

At no point was i ever comparing ST to a STI. My WRX with PPP was no where near as quick as a STI. Anyone that says it is full of ****. I have drove them back to back and the STI was far superior

 

yea it did make just bit below 300 bhp on the rollers my 07 2.5 wrx and 340 ft/lb torque, has a full 3" decat turbo back, 2" up pipe ( less lag ), headers, air intake, sti intercooler, bov and silicone hoses all round, with ecutek remap. so it sat with a 305 bhp blob eye sti

 

i didnt say you where comparing it to an sti im just saying it doesnt compare to even a wrx or an sti, ppp wrx would leave a focus st and even further tuned wrx like mine a focus st doesnt compare

 

The only part of that car thats acutally a focus is the headlights and the grill... nothing else is actually focus... running on a custom made tubular frame, cossy engine, fibreglass panels...

Your best bet would be to get Dreamscience unit, these are just a hand held unit and can contain a few different maps (the standard unit comes with eco, fast, race and standard maps)

The best thing about this is that you can put the standard map on again so no one will know you have remaped it... and nope wont affect warrenty, as no one really plugs the cars into the coputer to check the map, and if your that worried, you can upload the standard map back on.

The focus is one hell of a better drive then the scooby IMO

 

I've driven a 1.8 Zetec round Castle Combe on two of their driver days (Focus is used to coach line/gears etc before going out in Formula Ford).. and even though the engine was a bit lacking.. it was the best feeling saloon I've ever driven... the chassis is superb..so I'd imagine the ST (or RS) has quite a grin factor..

 

i went to a RWYB drag event and i went up against a fiesta st and a focus st and done them both easily and was pulling away il try and hunt the videos out for you.i had a 94 wrx which was 274bhp

 

I drive Focus STs regularly and my WRX has mods just beyond PPP.

As standard, the ST was possibly the better allrounder due to having better handling. Straight line, not much in it. I still prefered the WRX for the 4WD traction. The ST does have better seats, stereo and wheels, though.

Now with ARB and remap, the WRX is definitely faster. The only area the ST wins on now is low down (below 2500rpm) as the engine just pulls from tickover.

 

So not just a remap then

Still good figure for a WRX i'd be pleased in your shoes .... mines now 2.5" back from turbo straight through, custom intake and made 295 ATW @ Zen with 390 ftlb and 340 at the crank and 390ftlb and scoobyworld 2.5 engines rock out the torque !!!!

 

hello guys ,

must say i have never had a problem seeing of st's but then most things cant live with my forged RA up to 100

regards nathan
SUBARU IMPREZA TYPE RA - HOME

 

Just a bit of promotion for the vid I made on Sunday morning!

The panels are carbon fibre.

 

Aye thats what i meant to type sorry

 

I have owned both. I moved from a WRX PPP to a Focus ST, and with the Prodrive springs the Subaru not only generally handled better, but was certainly the quicker car, in a straight line and twisties.

My ST now has the Ford fitted Mountune Performance Pack, and the car is transformed, but on the road, in my opinion the Subaru is simply the better car, more driver focused etc - which is the reason why the search could be on for another, perhaps an RB or a GB.

 

Before i bought my WRX PPP i had a test drive in a standard WRX 2005 model i think. and i can honestly say i thought it was **** poor. Maybe if i were to jump straight in a WRX PPP after the ST i would agree that its maybe quicker. I did think about buying a new shape Scooby but i also need a car that can handle motorways, isnt total cheap crap inside and you can hear yourself speak at speeds over 80mph. I am more than happy that i went for the ST.