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Old 09 December 2009, 07:40 PM
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Default Induction kits.

What are peoples thoughts on Induction kits. Are they good or bad, and if the answer is good then whats the best 1 to get.
Old 09 December 2009, 07:47 PM
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v5 - v6 classic they will eat your mafs

probably find a good panel filter is better

strange how i wrote the above as i have a v6 with a cone filter ...lol
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Thanks mate. Well i have a 2005 STI how are they on them.
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I like them over standerd ones myself.
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A backward step on most standard-ish setups. IMHO.
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Good for nothing.

Bad for your MAF, and, therefore your engine!

Don't do it!
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I really liked the noise they make too.
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Not really a good step on a new age STI as the standard air intake system is very very good so it probably is a backwards step on your car (all that lovely hot air going into your engine, reduced power here we go!) plus its recommended that if you have a CAIK fitted that your car is mapped for it (these ones are the ones you have in the wing really) and if you have a larger diameter pipe then that can naff up the maf readings as your getting more air into the engine (not a nice thing for your air/fuel ratio )

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Old 09 December 2009, 08:21 PM
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The only improvement is the noise.

There was a test somewhere that showed they gave a reduction in power on a lighly modded Scoob. There is also a slight risk of damage.

I wouldn't bother.
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Thanks guys. 1 of my friends has a wing mounted APS induction kit on his new age STI and he was telling me that they dont do any harm to the MAF. Is this true.
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The new age mafs are better than the MY99/00 cars (no versions just model years as the mafs were all the same on the turbo'd models) BUT if the pipework has been replaced with a larger diameter pipe then it will require remapping, and the standard air intake system is very good anyway.

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I have the APS wing mounted CAI on my 02 STi, and had it mapped by Andy Forrest right away - love the noise.

No adverse effects etc - but I would receommend having the car mapped if you do fit one, mine threw up a EML on the way through to AndyF (sorry can't recall the code)

Noise is great - especially spool-up, sook sook chatter chatter pttchh
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Ohhhhh, the noise!

sook sook chatter chatter pttchh Chavtastic ...... !!
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Fantastic eh, troll..........
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Well i was not planning on getting it remapped as it has a ppp on it already. I just wanted that nice induction noise, but if its going to make the car play up and is not good for it then i think i might just leave it for now. Thanks for all the replys guys.
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I wouldn't do it.

- Can affect the fueling a lot (depending on make) and make it run lean (or rich).
- It will be sucking on hot air so the engine will be fundamentally running different.
- It is unlikely to actually create any more power

You will get a noise - great if you like it but I would bet that your car will run worse without mapping. Not worth the hassle and expense for the noise.
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Originally Posted by dynamix
I wouldn't do it.

- Can affect the fueling a lot (depending on make) and make it run lean (or rich).
- It will be sucking on hot air so the engine will be fundamentally running different.
- It is unlikely to actually create any more power

You will get a noise - great if you like it but I would bet that your car will run worse without mapping. Not worth the hassle and expense for the noise.
Thanks for the advice mate. I dont want to do any harm to the car or make it run funny , so i will leave it. Thanks for everyones help.
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Wise choice
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Had a RCM one on my Spec C on recommendation of Bob Rawle in amongst other mods ... if it's good enough for Bob

TX.

Edit - just read all the neg posts. You all going against the great BR?!

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I'm an Engineer of the highest standing - yes, I will dispute anyone I think is wrong.
Old 10 December 2009, 01:59 PM
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Surely Bob mapped your Spec C as well Tx?

If so then he's gaining the small advantage a CAI can offer without the hazzards...

LOL @ SS...
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^^ Yep. He recommended RCM exhaust, induction kit, uprated fuel pump, uprated actuator, 3 port boost solenoid ... Bob installed the i kit on the day just before map.

TX.
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My builder recommended a new roof, a new drainage system, new windows and doors and a new timber frame ...... he installed it all and then re-programmed my heating control for me.
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
Edit - just read all the neg posts. You all going against the great BR?!
I am sure Bob doesnt really believe that an induction kit on a relatively standard car is a worthwhile mod.
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Originally Posted by SunnySideUp
My builder recommended a new roof, a new drainage system, new windows and doors and a new timber frame ...... he installed it all and then re-programmed my heating control for me.
^Cool, less heat soak but too much lag IMHO.
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Very good ...... he did put too much lag in my loft

He changed the water in the Boiler, but he didn't carry out the builders **** procedure - walk around the boiler twice while singing "Water, Water, Everywhere"

I'm half expecting a full blown seizure in the pipes and more heatsoak ... maybe I should fit a KockLink to my programmer?

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^ A VTA dump valve on your boiler for water pressure would be good via an external overflow. Zero Sports Racing Thermostat too
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Stop it, Stop it!
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