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Old 25 April 2010, 08:06 PM
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Default 90 mph in a 70 zone...apparently!

got a letter of intended prosecution today.

it says i got caught by a static camera on the A21 in kent (which i did)

however the letter says i was doing 90mph, and i am 99% sure i was doing about 80mph. YES, i know 80 is still over the limit!!

anyway what do you think i am going to get?? £60 and 3 points?

f*cking Speed cameras
Old 25 April 2010, 08:16 PM
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Its possible they might offer u to go to a training course instead (FREE and no points).
In that case opt for that!
Old 25 April 2010, 08:21 PM
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i currently have no points.

is it worth me being 'awkward' and asking to see evidence and calibration records etc? or just bite the bullet and return the form?
Old 25 April 2010, 08:23 PM
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I got caught doing 92 on a bypass once that was a 70 and got 5 points ( strange i know ) and £300 fine and had to appear in court. The 5 points took me over 12 points so they took my licence off me for 4 weeks. It was eaither that or they would slap me with 12 points and i had to stay out of trouble then untill they had cleared, so i opted for the 4 week ban and they gave me a clean licence back. Think they came down on me prety hard. I know a chap whos just been done for 80 in a 50 and he got £180 fine and 6 points.
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Originally Posted by Chan110
Its possible they might offer u to go to a training course instead (FREE and no points).
In that case opt for that!
I thought that they got rid of the points but cost the same £60 as the fixed penalty, that's what everyone I know who's done one get stung with
Old 25 April 2010, 08:23 PM
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yes ask the last time the camera was calibrated if its longer than 3mths your on to winner bud !
Old 25 April 2010, 08:24 PM
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3 points and a 60 quid fine is what you "should" get
Old 25 April 2010, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JonMc
I thought that they got rid of the points but cost the same £60 as the fixed penalty, that's what everyone I know who's done one get stung with
U'r right mate, there are no points, but u pay for the course which is similar priced as the penalty:
http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/Spe...essCourse.html
Old 25 April 2010, 08:45 PM
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Not sure you'd get offered a course at 20mph over, probably just 3 points.

http://www.pepipoo.com/Magistrates_guidelines.htm

See lower down, at 91+ it gets worse potentially and you could be straight banned in theory.
Old 25 April 2010, 09:17 PM
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Visit Pepipoo ... if anyone can get you off they can I'd contest it rather than roll over (them to prove still isn't it) albeit that it'll cost more than £60 to defend + you may get more than 3pts

TX.
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Originally Posted by 99blue
i currently have no points.

is it worth me being 'awkward' and asking to see evidence and calibration records etc? or just bite the bullet and return the form?
always ask -- you are not being awkward, it is your right to see the evidence

(although I think technically they do not have to show you until it actually gets to court - that's if it does)

but they usually send you the evidence
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Oh and have you checked your speedo accuracy as a matter of interest....get a sat nav or the like for a more accurate GPS speed.
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All / most speedos read 10% too high so 80 on speedo is more like a real 72mph. I mostly drive at 80 on speedo on m/way as that's pretty close to a real 70mph ... have to be some sad policeman to do you for that!

TX.

PS

If the OP has been tagged at 90 then his speedo will have been reading 100mph.

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Old 25 April 2010, 10:50 PM
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speedos are more accurate than you think, they are most certainly better than 10%

get a GPS device in the car (satnav will do) and see for yourself
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Originally Posted by Terminator X

If the OP has been tagged at 90 then his speedo will have been reading 100mph.
no way i was doing 100, had the missus in the car and she starts moaning about speed at about 80
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Originally Posted by 99blue
no way i was doing 100, had the missus in the car and she starts moaning about speed at about 80
If you are sure you were doing about 80 ask for the photo evidence. They have to give you this even though they don't want to and the accompanying letter will make you sound like you have commited the worst crime in the world not to mention the fact it will patronise you beyond belief.

But you will then be able to work out the speed of your car from the road markings if it is a traditional camera. Pepipoo will help with this.

If you are not doing 90 plead not guilty and prove why in court using the photo evidence.
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That's not my experience fella & I've had satnav / GPS device in cars for 5yrs+ ... nearly every one over reads by 10%. Recently had timing gear strapped to the scoob at Marham & it was miles off the (160mph) clock yet car maxed out at a true 158.6mph.

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Originally Posted by Rich D
speedos are more accurate than you think, they are most certainly better than 10%

get a GPS device in the car (satnav will do) and see for yourself
Old 26 April 2010, 05:28 AM
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This happened to someone I know not so long ago. They received a NIP throught the post stating that they had exceeded the speed limit along a dual carriageway. Just as the NIP explained, he was duty bound by law, to provide the name and address of the offender. So he did.

The offender happened to reside in Bangladesh, in a small village, but was over here in this country, on holiday at the time. After providing this information, he no longer received any further communications from the police force.

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Old 26 April 2010, 06:07 AM
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PMSL..... I can see a sudden influx of visitors from Bangladesh
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As mentioned by TX, speedos over-read.

The devices they use to measure speed are not 100% accurate.

Feel free to take it up with them. I remember a case where a motoring Solicitor picked up a speed gun in court and fired it at the back of the courtroom which told him the wall was moving according to the speed gun. Case dropped.
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As mentioned by TX, speedos over-read.

The devices they use to measure speed are not 100% accurate.

Feel free to take it up with them. I remember a case where a motoring Solicitor picked up a speed gun in court and fired it at the back of the courtroom which told him the wall was moving according to the speed gun. Case dropped.
Old 26 April 2010, 11:36 AM
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To 99 blue: what does the letter say? If it just asks who was driving, they usually follow it with an offer of £60 and 3 points or go to court, your choice.

In my experience, those who go to court and lose are in a FAR biger group than those who win, and if you do lose, you get MORE points, a BIGGER fine according to your income, and costs against you.

I'd bite the bullet.
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A matter of principle. If he wasn't speeding, then why should he take the points/fine?

Far too many people in this country just lay down to NIPs.
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A matter of principle. If he wasn't speeding, then why should he take the points/fine?

Far too many people in this country just lay down to NIPs.
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What type of camera was it?
Old 26 April 2010, 11:53 AM
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Hi guys, I was stopped by an undercover police Jag on the M3

93mph in a 70, 3 points, small fine.. (my first points in 13 years on the road)

also on the sat nav comparison: my nav says 5mph less than my speedo, havn't checked this over a 100mph, but doubt there would be a difference.

good luck with getting out of it..
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93 in a 50 and i got a 6 week ban....oops. Driving 17 yrs without a single point up until then.
I can also agree with getting the pictures and asking on the Pepipoo forum, helpful and knowledgeable bunch....infact ask what to do right now!
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Few weeks ago i got caught by an unmarked car doing 70 in a 60 ,other drivers were doing more than me but because i was in the RB320 i think she singled me out.Anyway i got 3 points & £60 fine.
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Really?!

TX.

Originally Posted by zayd
This happened to someone I know not so long ago. They received a NIP throught the post stating that they had exceeded the speed limit along a dual carriageway. Just as the NIP explained, he was duty bound by law, to provide the name and address of the offender. So he did.

The offender happened to reside in Bangladesh, in a small village, but was over here in this country, on holiday at the time. After providing this information, he no longer received any further communications from the police force.


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