hi,im trying to determine the power to weight differences.if you were to have an 06 jdm sti twin scroll running 360/360. what would a jdm wrx sti/type r classic need to keep up with the 06? my 99 wagon was running 315/320(uk car) and was pretty quick,would a standard(320/320) 06 jdm sti twinscroll be quicker even tho its heavier,anyone know a bit more about the differences/comparison,i cant decide wether to go for another classic or newage,i wouldnt want to fork out alot of cash to realise i need a 400bhp car to keep with a 330 classic??? once i buy another car the plan is not to mod it.

 

Trust me, a new age JDM twin scroll car is quicker than the same bhp'd classic.
Twin scroll delivers the power much better through the rev range and smoother, it doesnt feel as quick due to the progressive delivery but it is very very deceiving

Tony

 

ok,am i right in thinking the 06 twin scroll jdm is approx 320/320 as standard?like i said if i purchased one i would expect it to be much quicker than my 99 uk turbo wagon running 315/320.i wont be in a position to mod the 06.its a lot of money to spend to think its hardly any quicker than my £4000 wagon?

 

Is this something you have tried and tested?

I can't see there being much difference between a version 5/6 type r running the same power as a newage JDM.

Immy

 

what? a standard type r or modified?

 

sorry immy,didnt read your post properly.

 

It will handle better and be quicker in the mid range for sure its gearing will be better than the UK turbo, meaning that its always up there in the power band, it will be quicker than a 315bhp UK car, you may not feel it but it is, and more power is only a remap away
Its not just a step up, its a huge leap up and you wont want to go back to a classic after owning one

Tony

 

what about the jdm type r etc? ver 4/ 5/6

 

Well I do own a classic AND a new age JDM
Have I tried it, well yes, lets just say I had a blast against a 340bhp classic in a 316bhp Spec C, not much in it tbh, and he wasnt losing me

Tony

 

yeah but a 340 bhp classic is a hell of a lot cheaper to buy?

 

Type R's are great but not in the same league as a twin scroll car, their gearing is similar (well the first 5 gears that is ) but they dont feel as well planted, good fun though

Tony

 

Based on a classic being circa 1280kgs (this can vary depending on actual model) with 320bhp a MY06 JDM STI (1460kgs) would need circa 370bhp to have the same power to weight. However as Tony has highlighted, a MY06 chassis is far far superior imo especially when pushing on.

 

And will break alot easier and cost you more in the long run!

Tony

 

Absolutely no comparison between the 2 cars you mention. But you will only ever know that by driving the 2 cars yourself personally.

You really need to go and drive a jdm and tell us your experience of driving it. You could also drive a modded classic, then you, the potential purchaser, can decided clearly which car you want to buy.

We can give you advice all day long on here, but our advice is secondary to you actually going out there and driving the 2 cars.

 

Can give you my own personal comparioson between V5 Type R and an 03 JDM STi, I would also never go back, The type R was more involved and felt the quicker in standard(ish) trim, but the JDM newage is just so much more the complete package.

V5 Type R - Exhasut, remap, fuel pump = 320bhp / 13.3 1/4 mile.
JDM STi - Exhaust, remap, Fuel pump = ???bhp / 12.8 1/4 mile.
JDM STi - as above +10%e85 = 343bhp / 12.5 1/4 mile.

 

Went from a 330bhp p1 with a six speed box, adjustable suspension with White line gear to a mk1'type 25 and agree the t25 felt more stable on the road but I personally found the twin scroll set up to be far more linear, yes it came in nice and early but it lacked something for me. For me it did not feel as quick or powerful as said as it was more of a linear power but when you look down you are doing silly speeds. unlike the single scrolls that you feel building up then bam the power comes in and once you on it, they keep that feeling in the next gear and so on, and remember if you find yourself off boost then a simple down change can make all that go away.

For me I did not get on with it so sold up and bought bob rawles sti 5 now that was fun. Next time round I will be after another jdm sti but more looking at a spec c as the beware cars do feel more planted and more refined behind the wheel, quieter, better quality etc but would consider going to a single scroll as I prefer the feel oh and that flat for burble.

To the op i have seen 3/4 threads by you asking questions about this that and the other but you really really really need to drive a twin scroll car or two so you get the feeling as you may not like it, as you say 15k is going to be a chunk of change to wish you had spent 6k on a nice type r.

All just my opinion and mean no offence to you or any twin scroll lovers out there, have a word with a member or two or kindly ask immy for a test drive as he has some nice newage cars in stock, it might actualy it will give you all the answers you need, gondrive one as people will have mixed reviews and you will end up more confused then when you started, the answer is in the drive

 

Leave it out Tony! Classic is 1200kg & newage is 1450 ish ... MORE POWER needed in the newage!

TX.

Edit - agree that the newage is a "better" car as technology waits for no one ie newer car mostly always better. Faster though is another matter

2nd edit - a newage will need 483hp to stay with a 400hp classic or 423hp vs 350hp classic

 

Why dosent the OP just buy a classic and give it the twin scroll treatment, best of both worlds then?

 

i would gladly go and test drive a few but they are rare and if any come up they are always miles away,its nice to hear other peoples opinions as the only scoob ive ever drove is a 315/320 uk 99 wagon and a standard uk turbo 2000 my00.also i would not want to go a view some poor guys car thats for sale without the intention of buying as i hate time wasters myself.it will be a tricky one as obviously the look of the hawkeye is far better imho,but the price tag is not small,it will be me and the mrs driving which ever car we go for,so trying to get as much info as possible on comparisons as we cant afford to go travelling up and down the country to test drive different cars. the more opinions i get from this the better mate. if i were to buy a jdm sti 06 and i thought it needs more power the mrs would stab me lol,but a type r/p1 etc is alot cheaper and i could afford to mod to a degree(as its a big saving in the original purchase.)

 

haha,heres where we get all the modded classic guys saying we are faster and the newage guys saying no your not! the issue i have with the classic is i personally think it would not be worth spending unless it had/was going to get a six speed?

 

Did just that and running 325bhp managed a 12.77 quarter mile @ 109mph

 

i do prefer the newage interior tho! if money was no object i would just go out and but a 06 jdm sti spec c,and mod it.....probably lol.this is going to be a real tricky one as like i stated it needs to be afordable and suit 2 drivers.

 

i wonder what my wagon 315/320 uk 99turbo wagon would have done it in roughly?

 

Intresting, did you notice much difference between the single scroll and twin scroll set up?

 

Car was much more responsive and felt eager to rev, it was matched nicely to the 5 speed sti gear ratios too

 

By responsive do you mean less leg or better throttle response?

 

i could get an awesome classic for 10k?

 

Less lag and better throttle response

 

You could get a awesome classic for less than 10K, I dont even think there is any classic valued at over 10K nowadays, the 22B but thats about it, maybe the odd P1 as well

So buy your classic, bang on a twin scroll exhaust/turbo a remap and get the best of both worlds.

 

Pretty good mod then, was actually thinking about doing this myself, dont know why other folk with classice havent gone down this road considering how much money some people throw at them.