Will the classic impreza become a classic?
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Will the classic impreza become a classic?
Do you think the classic impreza will become a modern classic?
I don't particularly mean will they apprieciate in price like an Esc Cos or a Integrale but I mean will they be a classic in the minds of people?
I don't particularly mean will they apprieciate in price like an Esc Cos or a Integrale but I mean will they be a classic in the minds of people?
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In my mind defo, its the legendary car that started everything off. It was crap we wouldn all be so crazy about them and the models after might have never existed!!
Plus its the iconic image of colin mcrae in a classic scooby that sums up why I love them...they're awesome!! By the way im biased coz mines a classic lol
Plus its the iconic image of colin mcrae in a classic scooby that sums up why I love them...they're awesome!! By the way im biased coz mines a classic lol
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Good original low mileage ones will probably start to hold their value and even appreciate a little. Modded ones are in their own little market.
It's early days for "Classic" status though.
It's early days for "Classic" status though.
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In one word, no.
There are far too many of which far too many are bad examples of the marque.
Certain models like the 22b (probably the only one that will be a classic)
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There are far too many of which far too many are bad examples of the marque.
Certain models like the 22b (probably the only one that will be a classic)
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Back in the day look at the sapphire cosworth and how many examples were running around with all manner of ****e bolted to them, now all of them cars are dead and buried good examples are now becoming well sort after and verging on classic status.
4 years ago i bought a Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth, i paid £17200 for the car, 22k from new, if i sold the car now i could ask £40k, i would never pay that sort of money as i just dont believe an old sierra is worth it, just like the 22b so the more available classics will become a much more bank account friendly alternative.
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nope, wont be a classic. 22B will be a future classic as will the P1 due people thinking its Jesus instead of poorly specced STi Type R with shiny bits on the outside.
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Have to dissagree, although i do agree the 22b will of course become a classic, how many people would want to fork that sort of money out for an old subaru.
Back in the day look at the sapphire cosworth and how many examples were running around with all manner of ****e bolted to them, now all of them cars are dead and buried good examples are now becoming well sort after and verging on classic status.
4 years ago i bought a Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth, i paid £17200 for the car, 22k from new, if i sold the car now i could ask £40k, i would never pay that sort of money as i just dont believe an old sierra is worth it, just like the 22b so the more available classics will become a much more bank account friendly alternative.
Back in the day look at the sapphire cosworth and how many examples were running around with all manner of ****e bolted to them, now all of them cars are dead and buried good examples are now becoming well sort after and verging on classic status.
4 years ago i bought a Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth, i paid £17200 for the car, 22k from new, if i sold the car now i could ask £40k, i would never pay that sort of money as i just dont believe an old sierra is worth it, just like the 22b so the more available classics will become a much more bank account friendly alternative.
The 22B will be the only classic that will become a classic, not type R's, RA's, UK turbo's or any other limited edition, though the 3 door cars will demand a higher price due to them being a coupe
Tony (old enough to remember when the saph cosworths came out and wanting one but the insurance was a killer )
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i think it will, doesnt have to go up in value to be a classic as long as its original and in good nick. As said though i think all the 2doors will definately and they will go up in value.
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Tony why do you hate the classic so much? from all the great advice you give to ppl and not one good word to say about a classic
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Tony is just saying what he thinks and it sounds spot on to me. There are thousands of classics on the road! The good ones will become rarer and the preface lifts even more so as most get face lifted.
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What im saying is from years of experience, having owned 2 classics (an MY00 from new and the Type R) and 2 MY03 Spec C's (one from new), so its experience, and seeing the ammount on the roads that really are sheds, badly tuned, badly sprayed etc, the only one I would go for (well apart from my type R ) would be another type R/RA or a 22B, and the 22B would be top of the list (though a weekend toy).
Even then, given the option of the 22B or the JDM twin scroll car, the twin scroll car would be top of the list, its just evolution of the marque, you see the classic as a great car, and it was, back in the 90's, its no longer a great car, its a good car but its very outdated and numbers kill its value (this is why IM imported in very small numbers back in the 90's, a 2 year old turbo would go for 2-3k less than a new one, it kept their value up).
There are alot of good classics out there, but there are far more bad ones, the car isnt designated for greatness like a 205 GTI is for example, and only certain models get that spot, thats what you have to understand.
We all love our cars but very few are very special in the big picture
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I think with the P1 being an official supercar can be classed as a classic right now.
Anything shipped in from Japan with far too many letters after it's name will never be a classic....
Anything shipped in from Japan with far too many letters after it's name will never be a classic....
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I own a version 5 type R, 31k miles on the clock, I also own a Spec C limited (2003) with 22k on the clock, why do I hate classics?
What im saying is from years of experience, having owned 2 classics (an MY00 from new and the Type R) and 2 MY03 Spec C's (one from new), so its experience, and seeing the ammount on the roads that really are sheds, badly tuned, badly sprayed etc, the only one I would go for (well apart from my type R ) would be another type R/RA or a 22B, and the 22B would be top of the list (though a weekend toy).
Even then, given the option of the 22B or the JDM twin scroll car, the twin scroll car would be top of the list, its just evolution of the marque, you see the classic as a great car, and it was, back in the 90's, its no longer a great car, its a good car but its very outdated and numbers kill its value (this is why IM imported in very small numbers back in the 90's, a 2 year old turbo would go for 2-3k less than a new one, it kept their value up).
There are alot of good classics out there, but there are far more bad ones, the car isnt designated for greatness like a 205 GTI is for example, and only certain models get that spot, thats what you have to understand.
We all love our cars but very few are very special in the big picture
Tony
What im saying is from years of experience, having owned 2 classics (an MY00 from new and the Type R) and 2 MY03 Spec C's (one from new), so its experience, and seeing the ammount on the roads that really are sheds, badly tuned, badly sprayed etc, the only one I would go for (well apart from my type R ) would be another type R/RA or a 22B, and the 22B would be top of the list (though a weekend toy).
Even then, given the option of the 22B or the JDM twin scroll car, the twin scroll car would be top of the list, its just evolution of the marque, you see the classic as a great car, and it was, back in the 90's, its no longer a great car, its a good car but its very outdated and numbers kill its value (this is why IM imported in very small numbers back in the 90's, a 2 year old turbo would go for 2-3k less than a new one, it kept their value up).
There are alot of good classics out there, but there are far more bad ones, the car isnt designated for greatness like a 205 GTI is for example, and only certain models get that spot, thats what you have to understand.
We all love our cars but very few are very special in the big picture
Tony
Would love another one. Would love another Scoob more though as long as it wasn't a chavved up classic
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Think that the prefacelift will be a classic as most either have been changed to facelift, or have been changed drastically, or wrapped up.
Problem with the Scoobs is the low fuel consumption, high cost of insurance, and high cost of parts. Plus people try modding and they go pop, so have a bad rep, when 99% of the time its the owners negligence.
Problem with the Scoobs is the low fuel consumption, high cost of insurance, and high cost of parts. Plus people try modding and they go pop, so have a bad rep, when 99% of the time its the owners negligence.
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In theory the original engine was more likely the only one to go. This was a mapping issue with the fuelin which would see many of the P1's requiring new engines around the 40-60k mark.
As long as when the rebuild was done, the correct map was used for fuel, then there wasn't/isn't any reason why if looked after a P1 couldn't run for another 200,000 miles easy.
Only the same as the STi V5/V6 models (which the P1 was simply a dumbed down UK version of) which were prone to going pop due to det and the incorrect fuel map. Any reputable Subaru specialist or knowledgeable head on here would agree
As long as when the rebuild was done, the correct map was used for fuel, then there wasn't/isn't any reason why if looked after a P1 couldn't run for another 200,000 miles easy.
Only the same as the STi V5/V6 models (which the P1 was simply a dumbed down UK version of) which were prone to going pop due to det and the incorrect fuel map. Any reputable Subaru specialist or knowledgeable head on here would agree
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Classics in my eyes are the modern day mk2 escorts. Loads around but will gain classic status be they uk turbo's (run of the mill mk2's) RA's (mk2 sports) sti's, type R's (mk2 rsmexico/2000) p1/22b (rs1800)
Give them another 20 years and if petrol is still available they will certainly become classics.
Give them another 20 years and if petrol is still available they will certainly become classics.
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Classics in my eyes are the modern day mk2 escorts. Loads around but will gain classic status be they uk turbo's (run of the mill mk2's) RA's (mk2 sports) sti's, type R's (mk2 rsmexico/2000) p1/22b (rs1800)
Give them another 20 years and if petrol is still available they will certainly become classics.
Give them another 20 years and if petrol is still available they will certainly become classics.
All the rest will eventually fall by the wayside, just read my large post for why
But its normally classic owners who think that all classics will become classic and those who have owned (or own) both classic and new age cars that see the real world.
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If you want to see a great example of a classic from this era, just look here
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The car isnt good enough to become a "classic", hence why I pointed to the 22B, which "IS" good enough.
All the rest will eventually fall by the wayside, just read my large post for why
But its normally classic owners who think that all classics will become classic and those who have owned (or own) both classic and new age cars that see the real world.
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All the rest will eventually fall by the wayside, just read my large post for why
But its normally classic owners who think that all classics will become classic and those who have owned (or own) both classic and new age cars that see the real world.
Tony
Any car with a cult status and motorsport history is destined to become a future classic. People who wouldn't be able to afford 22b prices will start to look lower down in the range. Golf's are going the same way.