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Old 19 January 2011, 10:13 AM
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I'm looking at purchasing an 01 WRX wagon with PPP but wondered what extra performance the Prodrive pack makes? Parkers states the car should have 221bhp standard.
Old 19 January 2011, 10:23 AM
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PPP brings it to approximately 260 bhp.
Old 19 January 2011, 10:24 AM
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pretty sure it goes upto 261 (claimed)....same as the sti pretty much, makes a big diff in terms of torque too.....I had PPP on my 53 WRX, made a huge differnce to the feel of the car...
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Thanks guys, so it's worth holding out for one with PPP then?
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I seem to recall that the power gains by adding PPP the 01 WRX were not as great as the 03-04 WRX due to a having different ECU. Figures of around 245-250 bhp and similar torque spring to mind.

http://www.prodrive.com/up/03MY%20WRX%20PPP.pdf

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Originally Posted by paulbu
I seem to recall that the power gains by adding PPP the 01 WRX were not as great as the 03-04 WRX due to a having different ECU. Figures of around 245-250 bhp and similar torque spring to mind.
That throws a spanner in the works! As the car won't get heavily modded I'd like as much power as I can get from the factory if that makes sense. Also keeping insurance reasonably low is always nice

I can't stretch to an STI which is a shame but the WRX PPP seems like the next best option.
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The quoted figures of 261 are never really reached. On a bugeye wrx ppp, expect 240-250bhp - depending on where its rolling roaded etc.

In my opinion the issue might be down to a couple of things - general loss over time (wear etc to engine components - might lose 1 or 2 bhp per year?) or the fact that they didn't always make the 221bhp in the first place.... seem some come out at around the 215 mark.

But overall, if you don't plan to mod later - don't buy a wrx without the PPP. They don't cost much difference and they do pull and sound better than the standard car.

Watch out on the insurance though, specialists should be fine but the big companies will treat PPP as modifications as the car was sold without it (its normally fitted at the first 1500 mile service).

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Originally Posted by Steve_PPP
The quoted figures of 261 are never really reached. On a bugeye wrx ppp, expect 240-250bhp - depending on where its rolling roaded etc.

In my opinion the issue might be down to a couple of things - general loss over time (wear etc to engine components - might lose 1 or 2 bhp per year?) or the fact that they didn't always make the 221bhp in the first place.... seem some come out at around the 215 mark.

But overall, if you don't plan to mod later - don't buy a wrx without the PPP. They don't cost much difference and they do pull and sound better than the standard car.

Watch out on the insurance though, specialists should be fine but the big companies will treat PPP as modifications as the car was sold without it (its normally fitted at the first 1500 mile service).
They wont make full power on a rolling road as the ECU will reduce the allowed boost due to the increased intake temps. I very much doubt a well serviced PPP would be down on power - mine certainly feels fit enough. I also wouldn't be put off an earlier car due to the lower hp reading if I found a good one - it will still drive massively better than a standard car.
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Had a WRX, the got the PPP fitted, now have an STI....i would highly recommended a factory PPP....if your looking at noticable gains but still getting peice of mind your car is intact and any dealer could repair it.....PPP is the way to go....However.....it is not a cheap thing to add (around £2k i think), but as you say, an extra 500 quid or so gets a WRX + PPP....WORTH IT>. IMHO.
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