what power would i need in my classic to keep with a 430bhp evo 7
25 February 2011, 02:23 AM
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what power would i need in my classic to keep with a 430bhp evo 7
my mates getting a evo 7 and its a very nice motor with 430 apprently bhp, now im guessin the 7 weighs more than my classic, but im obvioulsy gonna need to step my power up as its getting a bit of a war between us and i dnt wanna get embarrased when the 1/4 fun starts this year lol. im running 327 at the min but what should i be looking to do, dont have enough money to rebuild an engine to forged stuff so is there ne way i can get enough power out of uk turbo 2000 to keep with him?
25 February 2011, 07:57 AM
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Same story as newage v classic in that the newage needs 50bhp more to be on a parr with a classic so your gona need another 50bhp to stay with him and i would say at a guess your about at your safe power limit now with your spec on a standard internals uk 2000,and then if you go much higher your gonna have to start thinking about gear box and clutch before too long as well as an engine build, cheapest way is sell yours and buy one running 400,otherwise its going to get expensive, so pucker up dude and get ready to kiss some mitsi *** / tail pipe im affraid
25 February 2011, 08:55 AM
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Your going to need about 400bhp to keep with him, or to put it another way, it's going to be cheaper to buy a 430bhp evo rather than try to upgrade your car (and you will probably get an 8 too 
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25 February 2011, 10:04 AM
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I think I would give your mate a run for his money, it's all about weight. I would guess that a EVO 7 would come in at around 1550KG, with 430BHP that would give him around 280 BHP per ton. Compare that to my figures below and that will give you an idea.
If you can get your car down to about 1250KG then 350ish BHP would get you competing with your pal.
If you can get your car down to about 1250KG then 350ish BHP would get you competing with your pal.
25 February 2011, 10:33 AM
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The average weight of an evo 7 would be around 1400 kgs,when you say its got 430 bhp,what proof is there of that ?. I am only asking as my mates evo 8 fq400 that i have been driving for the last 2 weeks is a quick car when the turbo starts spinning,but is a nightmare trying to get it off the lights. As said above its not just about bhp, power to weight can play a big part as well as how quick you launch .
What turbo are you running in your classic at the momment,as my vf28 is pushing 330 bhp 326 lb/ft and i am pretty sure that it is at its limit.
What turbo are you running in your classic at the momment,as my vf28 is pushing 330 bhp 326 lb/ft and i am pretty sure that it is at its limit.
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25 February 2011, 12:38 PM
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My VF28 made 346 bhp buddy at Zen before I upgraded to 20G.
If the Evo is closer to 1400KG then power per ton would be more like 310.
If you really want to give him a run for his money you should try for 360 and then concentrate on weight saving.
If the Evo is closer to 1400KG then power per ton would be more like 310.
If you really want to give him a run for his money you should try for 360 and then concentrate on weight saving.
25 February 2011, 12:45 PM
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Best power mod I made to my RA when I had it was to strip it right out. No roof lining, no door cards, no carpet, near rear seats. Pretty much just left the front seats, harnesses and the bits need to actually drive it. The weight saving amde a noticable difference in acceleration.
I'd save though even doing that you'll need to up the power a fair bit. Have you looked at the gear ratios between the 2? This will also effect the power you need I'd have thought.
I'd save though even doing that you'll need to up the power a fair bit. Have you looked at the gear ratios between the 2? This will also effect the power you need I'd have thought.
25 February 2011, 12:59 PM
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As stated by me and others he needs 400 to chase his mate down the strip and as for weight saving all well and good but his mate can just do the same and he'll be right back where he started minus the funds spent getting to 360 ie bigger turbo / remap.
OP unfortunatly mate the cheapest way your going to stay with your pal is change your car unless you fancy spending 5k plus on it
25 February 2011, 01:39 PM
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i wouldn't worry about the power mate, the evo's are notorious for being very unreliable on the 1/4 mile, thats why the mlr started 30-130 at marham because they can get the car rolling and not destroy there drivetrain.
25 February 2011, 02:54 PM
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Iv'e got a vf34 as well so get better spool and with 360 in a type r with the shorter ratios am able to punch above my weight, and of course there is the ability of the driver and suspension set up to be considered
25 February 2011, 09:41 PM
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Dont mean to be rude but your possibly going to cost the op alot of money with that kind of advice, considering the age and spec of his car if he goes any higher he's going to at least need a clutch doing 1/4 mile runs / fullbore launches more than likely a new engine and box, and as he stated in his original post he does not have the funds to go forged like yours, so is effectivly it's a non starter with the car he has.
As stated by me and others he needs 400 to chase his mate down the strip and as for weight saving all well and good but his mate can just do the same and he'll be right back where he started minus the funds spent getting to 360 ie bigger turbo / remap.
OP unfortunatly mate the cheapest way your going to stay with your pal is change your car unless you fancy spending 5k plus on it
As stated by me and others he needs 400 to chase his mate down the strip and as for weight saving all well and good but his mate can just do the same and he'll be right back where he started minus the funds spent getting to 360 ie bigger turbo / remap.
OP unfortunatly mate the cheapest way your going to stay with your pal is change your car unless you fancy spending 5k plus on it
Valid point there buddy, my bad.
I didn't take into consideration the car and spec he is running now. Your right, 360ish bhp with his car could well end in big problems.
He needs to start with a better base car in my opinion like a jap STI, but without funds, keeping with his mates Evo is just a dream.
26 February 2011, 10:43 AM
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Valid point there buddy, my bad.
I didn't take into consideration the car and spec he is running now. Your right, 360ish bhp with his car could well end in big problems.
He needs to start with a better base car in my opinion like a jap STI, but without funds, keeping with his mates Evo is just a dream.
I didn't take into consideration the car and spec he is running now. Your right, 360ish bhp with his car could well end in big problems.
He needs to start with a better base car in my opinion like a jap STI, but without funds, keeping with his mates Evo is just a dream.
26 February 2011, 10:48 AM
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i see what your saying, im gonna get rid of as much weight as possible and just keep tryin until he crashes or breaks down haha, ive spent thousands on my car taht i kno i am not gonna get back and kinda of decided either sell now or keep for life lol, im tempted to build a 400-500bhp engine with 6 speed. ( ive spent thousands fwe more wont hurt MUCH ! lol )
26 February 2011, 11:21 AM
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there is a massive diffrence between uk and jdm 2 years ago two memebers on here were out doing testing for approx 2 hours
first car was sti 3 ra with newage sti top mount 18g meth ppg dynoed at 360-380 3 passengers
the other was a terzo fmic,18G,ppg 1 passenger.
every run no matter what speed they started from the ra destroyed the terzo.
so yes huge diffrence.
you could say drivers make a diffrence too, but also bare in mind bob the trader on here got 11.9 quarter mile with 340bhp on a uk classic iirc.
first car was sti 3 ra with newage sti top mount 18g meth ppg dynoed at 360-380 3 passengers
the other was a terzo fmic,18G,ppg 1 passenger.
every run no matter what speed they started from the ra destroyed the terzo.
so yes huge diffrence.
you could say drivers make a diffrence too, but also bare in mind bob the trader on here got 11.9 quarter mile with 340bhp on a uk classic iirc.
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