Are these really the best of the crop !!!!

Been told you cant get much better can someone please explain ?

 

Certainly not the best. That would go to the likes of APS, Perrin or Hyperflow, but supposed to be very good value for the money

 

Defo not the best fella. They are ok

 

Put it this way: I very much doubt the APS and Perrin ones are significantly functionally superior. However, I can believe that they will a) look nicer and b) be easier to fit!

If value for money enters into the equation, then the Hybrid i a no brainier.

Ns04

 

As above HDi is quality kit and core are probably best..
APS or Perrin(these two companies use same core and same design) you are pay just for name extremely money and if its worth i don't think so...


Jura

 

So you're saying the HDi Core is better than both the APS & Perrin ??

 

Which core is better this nobody know,due nobody this tested,but Hybrid extensively tested Harvey and other tuners here.

About the APS,Perrin and other makers from USA,AUS,problem is there if you are need extra part,or simply is missing...




Jura

 

Utter bollocks.

The quality of the Hybrid FMICs is the same now as it has been over the last few years. Anyone that wishes to inspect a core or pipework can randomly select any kit they want from my stock, open the sealed box and carry out any inspection they wish. I am prepared to submit a kit for indepedant inspection if anyone cares to come up with an independant inspection body.

I sell three Hybrid FMIC kits. The GT for model years 93-00. £325.
The Hybrid GT2. Model years 93-00. The GT2 core has redesigned end tanks which are slightly bigger. £375.
Both cores are tube and fin and have the lowest pressure drop of ANY intercooler core we have tested.
The GDB model for New Age cars 01-05. £395 and comes complete with cold air kit.

I run three wagons. 420-600bhp approx. Two are fitted with Hybrid GT and they do a good job. I monitor air charge temperatures and reference them to ambient temperature. The third car is fitted with an APS FMIC and does not perform as well as the Hybrid GT. At some time later this year the APS will be removed and Hybrid GT2 fitted. This car is around 600 bhp.
During mapping Bob Rawle commented that the APS FMIC did not control temperatures as well as the Hybrid FMICs of which he has a lot of experience. Just his observation and something I was already aware of.

I purchased five APS FMICs and the price worked out at £1240 each. The quality is not any better than the Hybrid. The core is bar and plate. The pressure drop is greater than the Hybrid by a signifigant factor.

The Hybrid are a quality product, that does what it is supposed to do well, that represents real value for money. That is what you get with the Hybrid. Until I find a better performing cost effective FMIC I will stick with Hybrid.
Obviously to have a view on how well an FMIC works, you need to know the pressure drop(I use a Magnahelix guage) and ACTs. I use ACT guages £85 each.

Finally, you may expect that by spending a lot of money on an FMIC you will get a better product. From first hand experience I am yet to find a better performing FMIC regardless of cost unless you include some of the monster cores which are far bigger than required and therefore not an efficient solution. They add their own problems.

It matters not to me whether individuals choose to believe what I say here but it is absolutely the truth in my experience built up over a number of years and many FMIC installations, not just Hybrid.

 

The silicone pipework on the APS FMIC can be a bit iffy.........

Shaun

 

I don't recognise that as being a Hybrid GT2 core and if it is there will be Hybrid embossed on the top/bottom plate.
Strange no customers receiving Hybrid GT or Hybrid GT2 have any complaints about quality, just you and in all the intercooler cores/kits we have sold there has never been any complaints with the integrity of the cores or the quality of the welding on cores or pipes. We are fitting these along with other intercooler kits from other manufacturers all the time and we are well placed to assess the quality of the product.

 

I think you got a counterfeit one Bob

http://www.hybrid-power.com/news/HYB...AL%20NEWS.html

They're are known fakes out there that proport to be hybrids, but are nothing of the sort!

Ns04

 

 

Any Hybrid FMIC product that is genuine Hybrid and has a quality issue, I will replace, like for like, even for you Bob.
There are no issues with the quality of the Hybrid FMIC kits.

Please stick with the truth.

 

I've fitted a few of these for people now and they are excellent value for money,
have always performed well and when I get round to it I shall be buying one for my own car (600bhp+)

I personally think they are the best option for an Impreza because the likes of APS perrin and Hyperflow certainly do not warrant the additional cost premium over the Hybrid when you compare the performance of them all.

I'd continue to recommend Hybrid GT2 to anyone!!

 

I think for people considering a front mount Hybrid is the one to go for.

If you have been around these cars for a long time like some of us have. You get to know what is what and what works.

Harvey is not just a seller, he is a fellow enthusiast and is very much focused on aiming to provide us with solutions that works.

Now there are different ways to skin a cat, and the decent tuners all have different approaches.

The real positive thing about Harvey is that he not only has a huge amount of experience of what works and what doesn´t but he actually puts his money where his mouth is and tests things.

 

didn;t you stop selling them cos you culdn;t buy at the right price bob?

 

Here is a file shot from Hybrid. The car was fitted with a Hybrid GT2 front mount intercooler kit and run on the rollers at Rigoli. An alternative core was then fitted from a well known Australian manufacturer. No other alteration was made.
You can see the difference in boost as a result of the increased pressure drop which has resulted in different power output.

 

so that explains it then !

 

you started something there lee ps the welding in that picture was the worst ive ever seen

 

Not really mate just people airing there view ,which in turn helps you and me and the rest of the community !!!!!!

 

I have a hybrid HDI FMIC on my race RA, not bought from any source on here. I destroyed the first one at the Doune Hillclimb after a slight error on the sat runs. I borrowed another FMIC from a friend for the 2nd day on the sun (not a cheap make by any means) and noticed a massive negative difference, I was spooling approx 500 rpm later and times were down significantly and car just didnt pull as well. When the new HDI one went on the car was back to normal. This was 2 1/2 years ago to be fair but I cant fault mine and car has made good power since and is currently on a GT30 using a 2.5Lt.
The more expensive Perrin, HKS etc etc may or may not flow better but for the price the HDI ones that I have used are well worth the money.

 

Arch was the car mapped for the different Intercooler ??

 

I have the GT Hybrid on a 1995 STi, awesome If I get another wagon I would fit another no question

 

Lol no the car was taped together and rebuilt overnight
The intercooler shouldnt have made as big a difference as it did as the core was a similar size so there should not have been the difference in airflow that there obviously was, so a remap should not have been required.

 

What bhp does the TMIC run out of puff or do people change to FMIC for other reasons as well as bigger power

 

Not that can of old worms.

Probably best to have a search

 

Sorry didt know that was one of those questionsons on here, wow the community on here is so different to he skyline forums, just in the week on here i can see why scooby owners get labled

Thats was not directed at you bob

 

I have a HDi on my Hawk, pain the *** to fit on that model but my mapper was very impressed with just how well it was working, I monitor the intake temp as well and it is either the same as ambient or 1o above.

 

Intake temps arn't the real important factor here... it is the Intake temps versus charge temps you want to be monitoring. Or pre FMIC charge temps versus post FMIC charge temps.

Harvey will be able to give you the full run down on these comparisons.

 

I drove up to Darlington to have a Hybrid fitted by Harvey. One of the best mods on my car, no more heat soak in traffic and the fitted price including petrol from London to Darlington and back was less than some of the others mentioned on here.

Anders