Best cost effective way to 500bhp
07 January 2012, 01:28 AM
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Personally i would go for a newage over a classic if its going to be a road car because its got the 6 speed, is more rigid and modern . I wouldn't worry about the engine so much as pretty much everything will be replaced anyway.
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07 January 2012, 02:33 AM
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I cant give any advice on this myself but what advice I can give is before you make any desicions make sure you talk to
david from api
martin from engine tuner
or any of the other respected engine builders on here as they really no there stuff and I would be far more inclined to listen to them than listen to other suggestions
good luck in your venture
david from api
martin from engine tuner
or any of the other respected engine builders on here as they really no there stuff and I would be far more inclined to listen to them than listen to other suggestions
good luck in your venture
07 January 2012, 04:23 AM
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Cheers max i went to do this before but ran into money trouble and had to sell my car v7 sti but now i.am back on
track basically starting from scratch.
track basically starting from scratch.
07 January 2012, 08:30 AM
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AS as an everyday car I would suggest a new age sti as they are more refined and also have the 6 speed fitted which will save 2-3k in upgrading the classic 5 speed. there are many ways to go engine wise, 2.0, 2.1 stroker kit, 2.35 if you have loads of cash, 2.5 can do it but they need pinning and are looked upon to not be a wise choice if aiming above 500.
More to the point is which ever route you take and I would speak to a well known tuner it will set you back 10-15k min, as well as keeping it all running.
So do you need 500bhp are you tracking it or just a road car? If you have had money issues why drop 15k in a car that you will never get back.
Two options settle for a newage 02 onwards sti and for reletivly little cash they will run low to mid 4's or buy a modded impreza already running what you want, which in theory you should able to sell on for similar money that you paid for it.
What ever you do best of luck
More to the point is which ever route you take and I would speak to a well known tuner it will set you back 10-15k min, as well as keeping it all running.
So do you need 500bhp are you tracking it or just a road car? If you have had money issues why drop 15k in a car that you will never get back.
Two options settle for a newage 02 onwards sti and for reletivly little cash they will run low to mid 4's or buy a modded impreza already running what you want, which in theory you should able to sell on for similar money that you paid for it.
What ever you do best of luck
07 January 2012, 12:44 PM
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I recall a tuner telling me a story about one of their clients:
Punter: I want 500 bhp.
Tuner: have you ever been in a 500bhp car
Punter: No
Tuner: ok, lets go for a spin in mine
*after coming back from a drive*
Punter: That's Exactly what I want
Tuner: Well, that was a 380bhp car and costs about 1/3 of the money that a 500bhp car would cost.
Punter: Oh!
As everyone says above, there is no cost effective way of doing this, just an effective way that costs. At that level pretty much everything has to be attended to, including brakes and suspension. I'm not saying don't do it (I did - well 470/480) but I am saying is don't think for a second that it can ever be inexpensive - it can't.
Also echo the above comments about starting with a new age.
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Punter: I want 500 bhp.
Tuner: have you ever been in a 500bhp car
Punter: No
Tuner: ok, lets go for a spin in mine
*after coming back from a drive*
Punter: That's Exactly what I want
Tuner: Well, that was a 380bhp car and costs about 1/3 of the money that a 500bhp car would cost.
Punter: Oh!
As everyone says above, there is no cost effective way of doing this, just an effective way that costs. At that level pretty much everything has to be attended to, including brakes and suspension. I'm not saying don't do it (I did - well 470/480) but I am saying is don't think for a second that it can ever be inexpensive - it can't.
Also echo the above comments about starting with a new age.
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07 January 2012, 02:28 PM
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Your best bet for 500 is a 2.1 stroker short block. Standard AVCS heads will flow to 500+.
You'd need to upgrade your fuel pump, injectors, turbo, clutch and gearbox. At 500 I'd also suggest upgrading your brakes too
You'd need to upgrade your fuel pump, injectors, turbo, clutch and gearbox. At 500 I'd also suggest upgrading your brakes too
07 January 2012, 03:39 PM
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As a base, I'd go for an '02 Bugeye Sti. It has everything you need, Brembo brakes, six speed box, AVCS etc in the most cost effective way.
2.1 stroker of course.
As somebody said, I'm forever asking that "have you actually experienced 500 bhp yet?" question and I get the same response when I take them out with 400 ish.
"Chuffin' 'Eck.."
I've had one or two discover a religious streak they didn't know they had, when having a 600 bhp plus demo..
2.1 stroker of course.
As somebody said, I'm forever asking that "have you actually experienced 500 bhp yet?" question and I get the same response when I take them out with 400 ish.
"Chuffin' 'Eck.."
I've had one or two discover a religious streak they didn't know they had, when having a 600 bhp plus demo..
07 January 2012, 03:49 PM
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500 in a classic would be mental as they only weigh 1200kg 
if you went that route buy one there / almost there already as it will cost mega $'s to upgrade all the bits yourself ...
TX.
if you went that route buy one there / almost there already as it will cost mega $'s to upgrade all the bits yourself ...TX.
07 January 2012, 05:36 PM
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As a base, I'd go for an '02 Bugeye Sti. It has everything you need, Brembo brakes, six speed box, AVCS etc in the most cost effective way.
2.1 stroker of course.
As somebody said, I'm forever asking that "have you actually experienced 500 bhp yet?" question and I get the same response when I take them out with 400 ish.
"Chuffin' 'Eck.."
I've had one or two discover a religious streak they didn't know they had, when having a 600 bhp plus demo..
2.1 stroker of course.
As somebody said, I'm forever asking that "have you actually experienced 500 bhp yet?" question and I get the same response when I take them out with 400 ish.
"Chuffin' 'Eck.."
I've had one or two discover a religious streak they didn't know they had, when having a 600 bhp plus demo..
"I didn't know cars could do that....I'll open my eyes next time"
07 January 2012, 05:46 PM
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07 January 2012, 06:10 PM
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Lol, my missus nearly had a heart attack one night when I put my foot down in a Classic with 580lbft.
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07 January 2012, 07:05 PM
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Cheers for the options guys looking from a broad point of view maybe buying a car already done could be an option. The car will be track use only drove to and from the track only.
Many thanks guys
Many thanks guys
07 January 2012, 08:40 PM
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14 - 15k all up easy
Classic:
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=27;t=001464
Newage:
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=27;t=001472
Classic:
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=27;t=001464
Newage:
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=27;t=001472
07 January 2012, 09:03 PM
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I am going down this route as we speak ! Classic rb5 , 2.5 fully forged
I agree with most of the comments on here regarding costing ! 6 speed , clutch , pinning the block , injectors , ecu , exhaust , turbo , etc ! The list goes on , oh brakes to stop !!
I already had the rb5 when I decided this route so saved money bit by bit ! Should be done hopefully by feb and ready to run in .
Ta maz
07 January 2012, 09:28 PM
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Lol , yeah should be fun 
running around 330 bhp at the moment but drivers side rocker leaking a bit and engine done 80k now so decided on a new build as keeping the car for a few years now ! Reading lots of comments on here from regulars saying " youll want more " who I,m sure will laugh ! So decided to go the whole hog ..
running around 330 bhp at the moment but drivers side rocker leaking a bit and engine done 80k now so decided on a new build as keeping the car for a few years now ! Reading lots of comments on here from regulars saying " youll want more " who I,m sure will laugh ! So decided to go the whole hog ..