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Old 24 July 2012, 07:43 PM
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Hi,

WRX STi Spec D 07/07.

With the recent hot weather, I've been using my A/C a lot more.
Always seem to find that it clicks on for about 30-40 seconds, and then clicks off again.

I feel the cold air, then it goes tepid, and then cold again.

I press the right hand button of the 3 dials on the dash, and the orange light comes on, not setting it on auto with the middle button, so why does it keep clicking on and off?

Also it does the same whilst stationary, I hear the A/C engage for a short burst and then it goes off again.

Anyone else had this?

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Old 24 July 2012, 07:46 PM
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It mite be down to not having enough gas in the system, maybe a re-gas would sort it
Old 24 July 2012, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby_Paul
It mite be down to not having enough gas in the system, maybe a re-gas would sort it
Tried that a few weeks back, we got 395g of gas out after a full vacuum, and put back in the maximum (whatever the label said), so I'm still a bit lost?!!
Old 24 July 2012, 07:56 PM
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Im sure my 03 sti does this but the air stays very cold
Old 24 July 2012, 08:00 PM
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A blockage can cause this, get your local AC specialist to do a flush & regas.
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Originally Posted by howellsy42
Im sure my 03 sti does this but the air stays very cold

Ah ok, see mine doesn't. Definite change in air temp.
Old 24 July 2012, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RICHARD J
A blockage can cause this, get your local AC specialist to do a flush & regas.

Had it re gassed a few weeks back, and no change.

What happens during a flush? What / how do they flush it?
Old 24 July 2012, 08:12 PM
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I'm sure when you have it regassed they suck all the old gass out I would class that as a flush
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Originally Posted by howellsy42
I'm sure when you have it regassed they suck all the old gass out I would class that as a flush
That was my reckoning too, but still mystified!
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The flush is only done if youv got a problem with a blockage & a normal AC machine won't do it you need a specialist kit.
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Ideally with the air conditioning switched on you need to use the recirculate button to keep it cool inside.

the compressor does indeed click in for 30-40 seconds at any one time then cuts out, also if you floor the throttle it will cut out too
Old 24 July 2012, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rob84
Ideally with the air conditioning switched on you need to use the recirculate button to keep it cool inside.

the compressor does indeed click in for 30-40 seconds at any one time then cuts out, also if you floor the throttle it will cut out too
Ah, really? So it wouldn't stay on all the time like my VW?

Why do Subaru do this? Perhaps to save fuel? But would cost more fuel cutting on / off and use the A/C pulley clutch more?
Old 24 July 2012, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye D
Ah, really? So it wouldn't stay on all the time like my VW?

Why do Subaru do this? Perhaps to save fuel? But would cost more fuel cutting on / off and use the A/C pulley clutch more?
No they don't stay on like other manufacturers, I found it odd at first but thats how they operate.

more to do with engine loading for emissions & the fact that the newer systems on the subarus are smaller than previous models so the gas circulates much quicker.
Old 24 July 2012, 08:44 PM
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^ as above, its supose to its mostly a temp cut off that makes the clutch click in and out
Old 24 July 2012, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Auto_Sparky_WRX
^ as above, its supose to its mostly a temp cut off that makes the clutch click in and out

Sure, ok, but it cuts off even when the cab is still pretty warm - perhaps not even a mile up the road from it being sitting in the sun.

Or do you mean the A/C system temp rather than the cab?

Sorry about all this peeps!!
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recirculate the cabin air with the button on the fan control, it will make a difference
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what is your temp set too?

if its all the way down you might have a problem. if its set to 20+ then its perfectly normal as the air ayatem always works to the set temp (the small vents under the controls works like a small hoover). The auto function just regulates the fan speed to set temp.

thought i had a problem with mine too before a little investigation with controls revealed the true way it works.

also check to make sure the cabin filter isnt blocked, and the ac will turn off when gas pedal is floored.
Old 24 July 2012, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DantheMan2605
what is your temp set too?

if its all the way down you might have a problem. if its set to 20+ then its perfectly normal as the air ayatem always works to the set temp (the small vents under the controls works like a small hoover). The auto function just regulates the fan speed to set temp.

thought i had a problem with mine too before a little investigation with controls revealed the true way it works.

also check to make sure the cabin filter isnt blocked, and the ac will turn off when gas pedal is floored.
Temp is set as low as it will go, will try recirc tomorrow - before our summer goes!

I can also hear what sounds like a spraying noise (on and off) coming from around the dashboard clock area, is this the air being sprayed onto / into the evaporator?

I know cabin filter is recent, but will check that the weekend - where is the cabin filter? Easy to find / get to?
Old 24 July 2012, 09:26 PM
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cabin filter is behind the glovebox relatively easy for simple minded person with a screwdriver.

the hissing noise is the refrigerant expanding through the evaporator coil of which the air is drawn across thus resulting in cold air. perfectly natural if its a little bit. personally id be more worried if it was dead quiet because thatd mean there isnt any refrigerant in the system. if its really loud there is a possibility of havin air or water in the refrigeration circuit of which continued use will result in popping the compressor.

try the recirc function as this draws air from the cabin and if its precooled the system wont have to work as hard and will bring the temp down faster therfore making you imagine its a lot colder. (hissing noise should quieten down as its cooling cooler air and not the 30 odd degrees heated air that weve been having)

it also depends on how hot the cabin is... has it been sitting in real hot sunshine all day etc... is there a window open (please say there isnt) if the cabin is 30 degress+ the a/c will run on and off alot to bring the temp down. Again perfectly natural.
Old 24 July 2012, 09:51 PM
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Sorry to highjack but when I hit my Ac switch I don't seem to get any cold air and can't hear the relay click like you normally can, is this a likely re-gas job? The car has been sitting idle for over 2 months whilst work has been carried out.
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Sorry to highjack but when I hit my Ac switch I don't seem to get any cold air and can't hear the relay click like you normally can, is this a likely re-gas job? The car has been sitting idle for over 2 months whilst work has been carried out.
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sounds very much like the system is low on R134a. a leak test would need doing first to see if there is a major leak followed by a regas
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Originally Posted by rob84
sounds very much like the system is low on R134a. a leak test would need doing first to see if there is a major leak followed by a regas
Nice one rob, found a mobile re-gas guy who seems ok. Don't fancy taking it to Kwik fit
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Originally Posted by Kedlestone
Nice one rob, found a mobile re-gas guy who seems ok. Don't fancy taking it to Kwik fit
Yes make sure the system is pressure tested and evacuated and not just topped up makes my blood boil when i see cheap top ups as youll be back before long for the job being done properly
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Originally Posted by DantheMan2605
cabin filter is behind the glovebox relatively easy for simple minded person with a screwdriver.

the hissing noise is the refrigerant expanding through the evaporator coil of which the air is drawn across thus resulting in cold air. perfectly natural if its a little bit. personally id be more worried if it was dead quiet because thatd mean there isnt any refrigerant in the system. if its really loud there is a possibility of havin air or water in the refrigeration circuit of which continued use will result in popping the compressor.

try the recirc function as this draws air from the cabin and if its precooled the system wont have to work as hard and will bring the temp down faster therfore making you imagine its a lot colder. (hissing noise should quieten down as its cooling cooler air and not the 30 odd degrees heated air that weve been having)

it also depends on how hot the cabin is... has it been sitting in real hot sunshine all day etc... is there a window open (please say there isnt) if the cabin is 30 degress+ the a/c will run on and off alot to bring the temp down. Again perfectly natural.
Great, this all makes sense, and what you have explained I think hits the nail on the head.
The hissing isn't silly loud, so that sounds as though all is well, and will see tomorrow if it's quieter once recirc is selected.

Yes, in hot sunshine all day with windows closed, and yes, it does cut on and off very frequently, the A/C fan will come on it short 5-10 second blasts after I have started the engine.

Interesting A/C system, not used to all this high tec Jap stuff!

Thank you all for opinions an ideas, much appreciated.


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395g isnt alot, its suppose to be between 450-550g, it could be you have an issue with your air con somewhere

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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
395g isnt alot, its suppose to be between 450-550g, it could be you have an issue with your air con somewhere

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I know, I bought it from Scotland, so maybe it wasn't used much (not for cooling but maybe de misting)

Perhaps some of the gas had escaped, but I'm going to keep my eye on it.

When we took off the H and L plastic screw tops, there was a bit of a hiss, only very slight, so maybe there could be a tiny bit getting out that way.
Time will tell, but I like an efficient A/C system all year round, and will do whatever it takes to maintain it that way.
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Well it could be the valve for the high/low pressure (hopefully not, depends how much gas went back in), or it could be you were flooring the car at the time, the aircon will switch off to give you more power whilst you do this
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Well it could be the valve for the high/low pressure (hopefully not, depends how much gas went back in), or it could be you were flooring the car at the time, the aircon will switch off to give you more power whilst you do this

I can't remember how much gas we put back in, but it was the max on the label.

It's handy because at work I can ask the service manager if I can run the car in and "check" the air con, then, once we have the reading of what got vacuumed out, we put the maximum back in and nobody really knows as you can't see the level on the R134a bottle of course!
Sneaky maybe, but I work hard enough there, and haven't had a pay rise for years.

I hear that some garages now are vacuuming the gas out of thier trade in / p/ex vehicles as it's pretty expensive stuff. Doesn't matter on a trade vehicle that goes to auction or to a trader - let them re gas it etc.
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye D
I can't remember how much gas we put back in, but it was the max on the label.

It's handy because at work I can ask the service manager if I can run the car in and "check" the air con, then, once we have the reading of what got vacuumed out, we put the maximum back in and nobody really knows as you can't see the level on the R134a bottle of course!
Sneaky maybe, but I work hard enough there, and haven't had a pay rise for years.

I hear that some garages now are vacuuming the gas out of thier trade in / p/ex vehicles as it's pretty expensive stuff. Doesn't matter on a trade vehicle that goes to auction or to a trader - let them re gas it etc.
when recahrging a system the bottle should be weighed so you know exactly how much refrigerant is drawn to/from the bottle nearest to 10g. anyone not working in this manner can actually be imprisoned if caught nowadays lol


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