I only ever turn up with bad news please take the time to check out the latest EU plans to ban modifying and it looks like retrospectively as well.

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/

 

surely not, the amount of business it will close or end. this will never happen

wiley

 

Same thought, plus every 17 yr old who puts in some lexus lights in his/her saxo is going to be affected also - Halfrauds would go out of business!

I presume then it would get checked at MOT? and coppers would pull over anything that wasn't standard on exterior. I for one, would be pulled for my exhaust alone!

Surely a black market would appear too?

Just seems unimaginable! get away from this EU sh*te asap!!

 

Great, lets listen to frenchman without brains!!

So in effect, this could mean the end of the WRC, IRC etc. How they going to drive these "Modified" cars on the road sections before stages?

Next there be opening the floodgates to anyone from within the EU flock to a contry of there choice!! .........Oh hang on???

Steve

 

It won't happen - quite simply because it is too difficult to police. For example, where are the standards defined as to what is standard on any particular car? Component specifications change throughout the manufacturing history of models, so one car of the exact same type as another could be made to different standards depending on the date it was released. How far does it go, would they consider a change of tyres to be a modification? Change of stereo? Paint colour? As said above it would kill a huge industry base as well, both for aftermarket parts and indeed smaller garages - would they consider servicing by a non-approved garage to be a modification as well? It's just too generic to be enforceable and would most certainly cause more problems than it claims to be trying to solve

There is a PDF link to the proposal itself in the link above; having read through it (yes, quiet at work so far )it contains various errors and assumptions which quite frankly discredit the whole thing. Not much to worry about here I don't think

 

There goes my plan to make the first scooby monster truck!

 

Vote UKIP

 

THIS IS GREAT NEWS

Another excuse and reason for coppers to get money out of motorists instead of doing actual police work catching junkies/ dealers/ rapists/ peaodos etc..

Scooby546 I agree this won't happen but surely to remember the little black box thing that was going to be impossible ti do now look insurance companies are using them now. Not as big scale but still I wouldn't put it passed them


Total bull this government but agreed surely they can't pass this there twittering on about having no money then do this???? :/

So no halfords/ tuners/ mappers/ dyno shops/ paint shops/ body repair shops/ eBay pretty much down the swanny/piston heads/ car forums/ swapz etc etc

They really don't think about things do they it's ok for them they can afford to buy £100,000 masserati/Bentleys with 500bhp standard

It's as if there DELIBRITLY trying to finish this country

 

If this is as serious as it sounds shouldn't we, as in SN, be adding our voices properly to those against this latest bit of EU nonsense.

At least this should be retitled and made a sticky. We need to protest as much as we can, at the very least write to our MPs about this rather than just sitting back and expectng someone else to do it in true British style.

The 'it will never happen' brigade may be right, but surely the fact that the proposal contains errors and assumptions will not prevent it passing into law given the EU's performance on things like this in the past.

The UK givernment just for once need to grow a spine and say No to something and we need to tell them to do that!

 

Is it just me or have they got the wrong end of the stick? To me the link document discusses introducing a test for vehicles at the time of first registration only? The rest of the document sounds like the outline of a normal MOT?

 

Reading it now and I can see what you are saying.... will read it to the end and see what gives!

 

Yes, but is it being enforced at all right now? My car went through its MOT last month with no mention of a missing cat, no advisory... nothing!

What worries me is all this legislation slides into place and then all of a suudden the testers, plod etc. start to enforce it 100% to the letter of the law... going to be a lot of unhappy people around if that happens.

It's the sneaky way they introduce these things that gets me!

If this is what the ACE website think it is then we need to prevent it becoming law or at least try!

 

You don't need to read it all, just read the bits they quote properly.

 

Yes, I heard about this as well. While I can see the point for rental cars, and some of them are fitted with CCTV as well, perhaps even taxis and public transport vehicles etc, but NOT private cars. Private cars are just that, private, and shouldn't be monitored 24x7 by these devices. We have to remember that once they are installed, it is a very small step between monitoring for insurance purposes and giving out automated speeding / parking tickets. Not good.... I for sure will not be installing one of these devices, total invasion of privacy imho

 

Those black boxes are purely optional ... ?

 

Thankfully yes, they are - at the moment anyway. My concern is once a few insurance companies start using them, they could be come more widespread, even fitted to new cars at manufacture etc.

 

this has been doing the rounds for ages now, won't happen. Too much tax involved for the government.

Also as said un-enforcable

 

would mean more police on the streets after all the cuts the force has had

never

 

Nblack boxes are optional it's been brought in by insurance companies for such as young drivers to bring there premiums down ie they can't drive after 9:00pm or go over the speed limit etc etc..

It's just the start I think personally how many times have people been pulled over in modified cars just because they are just that modified ??

It strikes me as odd as to why there even bothering with this rubbish and not consentrating on say money/ immigrants / mortgages/ banks these are just a few far more important things rather than people putting an exhaust I there car and so forth

 

Several EU countries have had these rules for years now, so only a matter of time untill it happens over here unfortunately (now we're one big European family)

 

You got away with it because you get to use 'Tommy's garage' for your MOT.
I would imagine that will eventually be replaced with a government place.

In N.Ireland, you have to go to a government controlled test centre, and not some garage down the road.

 

I do a good deal at my garage

 

I haven't read the document but the OP mentions it would be retrospective. If a ban on all modifications came in to force how could they possibly make it retrospective? Surely they would have to make it from a date like "All new cars from Jan 2013" or such.

With the amount of money spent on modifying cars over the years; for a new rule that puts a blanket ban on all cars ever would basically "write-off" thousands of cars with the owners being thousands of pounds out of pocket and not able to afford a new car or put their modified car back to standard. Stuff like Mk1 escorts with cossie lumps spring to mind instantly but there are hundreds of different examples, just look at the projects section on here to see how much time, effort and money has gone in to modifying cars and what the owners would lose.

I'm not saying it could never happen for new cars but I would be very surprised if it effected all cars, ever. Like the new road tax bands that were released a while back. Originally it was going to effect all cars after 2001 but that never materialised and only effected cars after 2006 so I'm thinking something similar would have to be done.

I hope it doesn't go back to 2003!

 

I'm glad

 

IF the EC bring it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see the UK one of the first, if not THE first to implement it.

 

And if they do make it retrospective too, expect some many and serious lawsuits against the UK govt., from furious modded car owners!

It's outrageous they could do that!!!

 

We had a decent three piece suite once that we wanted to replace. Government had introduced new fire regulations for furniture. We couldn't even give it away to a charity.

It may have been compliant with the new rules, but didn't have the correct labels. Hundreds of pounds lost

 

amen.

 

Iv'e known the OP for years. He is well into regs and the like, this is a serious issue guys.