STI 400 ???
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STI 400 ???
Hi Guys my blob is currently sitting at around the 350 mark and I was going for 400 , so car was going back to Andy Forrest for bigger turbo, remap etc but question is will I notice a real difference spending this money ? reason I ask is I was out in a ver.5 STI the other night and it was rapid think its around 320-330 and I know the lighter weight will make the difference but don't know whether to save money and just buy classic STI.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Cheers
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Cheers
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probably just cut my losses and maybe swap for a good classic cos I know another 100 horsepower is not going to be cheap.
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Something like an SC46, front mount, injectors, fuel pump and a few other bit's like 3 port boost solenoid, hoses and fpr your probably looking in the region of £2.5/3k, some of which can be offset by selling your standard sti parts, you may also want to look at your clutch, brakes and a few handling goodies, i'd say £5k all in should see you with a car that stops and goes as it should.
There's a few decent well sorted classics at Hurst cars I think, but like you say it could well work out a lot cheaper to buy one that's already done and running mid to high 300's with all the right parts can be had for around £7k which is probably close to what your STI is worth.
There's a few decent well sorted classics at Hurst cars I think, but like you say it could well work out a lot cheaper to buy one that's already done and running mid to high 300's with all the right parts can be had for around £7k which is probably close to what your STI is worth.
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Yeah totally agree I phone Hurst cars last week actually but he was only offering 5k on mine which wouldn't be enough tbh would have to go private. A swap maybe better if possible but will have to sweet talk the missus first
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Spec list would be
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
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If a classic is 1200kg and the newage is 1495.
330bhp / 1200 = 0.275. x 1000 = 275 bhp per ton. (classic)
450 / 1495 = 0.301. x 1000 = 301 bhp per ton. (newage)
400 /1495 = 0.267 x 1000 = 267.5 bhp per ton. So 400 bhp is close enough to match.
Correct me if im wrong ? A rawer car can quite often feel faster even though it isn't.
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Spec list would be
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
A few private ones, with better sounding ads, at around the high 6's.
I'd look at a few, do an honest comparison, as if you were a potential buyer and the choice was them or yours and price accordingly.
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Sounds not too bad tbf was thinking middle sixes but the wife wants to keep the blob a bit longer so probably get it up to about 400 then maybe do a swap.
This is a woman who before this car would hardly go over 40 now she's going about racing vxr's. silly bitch.
This is a woman who before this car would hardly go over 40 now she's going about racing vxr's. silly bitch.
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ummm.
If a classic is 1200kg and the newage is 1495.
330bhp / 1200 = 0.275. x 1000 = 275 bhp per ton. (classic)
450 / 1495 = 0.301. x 1000 = 301 bhp per ton. (newage)
400 /1495 = 0.267 x 1000 = 267.5 bhp per ton. So 400 bhp is close enough to match.
Correct me if im wrong ? A rawer car can quite often feel faster even though it isn't.
If a classic is 1200kg and the newage is 1495.
330bhp / 1200 = 0.275. x 1000 = 275 bhp per ton. (classic)
450 / 1495 = 0.301. x 1000 = 301 bhp per ton. (newage)
400 /1495 = 0.267 x 1000 = 267.5 bhp per ton. So 400 bhp is close enough to match.
Correct me if im wrong ? A rawer car can quite often feel faster even though it isn't.
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Very nearly old bean but not quite. You claimed you would need 450 bhp newage to stay with a 330 bhp classic (paraphrased) when the op asked if a 400bhp newage would be enough. I showed that in fact a 400 would be a similar figure where as a 450 was quite a bit more.
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Worse case scenario you'll have to live with killing them. NO, you won't have run into them. NO, you won't have goaded them into a fight but YES, you and your car will have tempted them into attempting things their car isn't capable of, apart from causing their deaths because it couldn't do a necessary manoeuvre.
I had a pair of ****** over the weekend. Well, they weren't complete ******. At least they realised when their 'machine' had reached its limits (or they had reached the limit of their bottle).
Oh - and it only takes 370bhp (or just under 300bhp/tonne) to completely destroy any aspirations that a VXR ***** has of boasting to his mates that he 'dun a scooby'.
Anyway, my advice is don't upgrade and assume you'll get the money back at selling time. If you want the extra power then buy it in, as I did.
You have a quality car which ditchy says would cost £5k to upgrade a tad. (And yes, it is a tad. 14% more power doesn't mean shifting it from 0-60 in 4.2 instead of 4.9, which none of us can count accurately anyway).
It's worth mid-high 6's - so find a car that's less than £11k that can give you that performance and you are quids in.
Not a lot out there though, by the seems of it.
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Well spoke to the specialist who looks after my car last night and he says should be able to get around 400 for reasonable money, he's got a new Japspeed front mount lying about and make me up a custom cold air feed and he said he will look out for good td0520g turbo if I want to go ahead.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
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Spec list would be
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
2003 Sti
Immaculate condition
Sonic blue
52000 miles
8 month mot / tax
Decat HKS exhaust / spare Milltek
Usual fuel pump/ panel filter
Mapped by Andy Forrest to 350
Recent KYB shocks and Tein springs
Stage 1 clutch and new flywheel
New rear discs and pads
Pioneer Bluetooth DVD player
18"OZ Superleggeras with 4 new Vredestein tyres
Would like to know rough value for a private sale any ideas ?
If it was me I wouldn't sell it as you'll probably find in a head to head on the road ( which I in no way advocate ) unless your mate is a VERY good driver you'll probably leave him due to the better chassis of the newage.
This as I said before is about FEEL, I have an STI Type R with 330bhp and a Blob Wagon with PPP which is only around 260 odd and as I have said before on the road the blob is quicker in many situations even though it has circa 70bhp less, the Type r is much more of a hand full and a lot less forgiving than the blob, which to be honest you don't need to be a particularly good driver to go quickly in once you dial out some of the understeer.
I'd spend some money on some track time and a bit of tuition if I were you, and take the "silly b!tch" with you and let her have some tuition before she bins it, and it might take some of the testosterone out of her , anyone can go fast in a straight line but when the **** hits the fan she'll need to know what she's doing.
Then when your both ready let the modding begin, another couple of grand should see you with a pretty decent spec that's a match for pretty much anything.
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Well spoke to the specialist who looks after my car last night and he says should be able to get around 400 for reasonable money, he's got a new Japspeed front mount lying about and make me up a custom cold air feed and he said he will look out for good td0520g turbo if I want to go ahead.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
Unless your driving around at 100mph+ quick spool is what you want, everyone bangs on about big numbers, but even the some of the big power boys are finally coming to the realisation that huge numbers doesn't necessarily mean your going to be faster, quick spool and midrange grunt is what wins on the road not top end, you'll run out of road and talent way before you run out of puff with a big turbo and lots of power.
As for the brakes, spend a bit more and go for AP's, or keep an eye on the for sale section, there's been a couple of sets of 6 pots recently, but you'll have to be quick when you see them.
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Classics always feel faster and a 330bhp classic IS a rapid car, you'll need at least 450bhp to feel as fast.
New age for the quick daily, Classic for the thrills.
Classics always feel faster and a 330bhp classic IS a rapid car, you'll need at least 450bhp to feel as fast.
New age for the quick daily, Classic for the thrills.
Hi Guys my blob is currently sitting at around the 350 mark and I was going for 400 , so car was going back to Andy Forrest for bigger turbo, remap etc but question is will I notice a real difference spending this money ? reason I ask is I was out in a ver.5 STI the other night and it was rapid think its around 320-330 and I know the lighter weight will make the difference but don't know whether to save money and just buy classic STI.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Cheers
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Cheers
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But i'll outline for the benefit of the OP.
TD04 is one of if not the fastest spooling turbo's out there and the PPP map makes peak torque very early, coupled with the longer ratio's of the 5 speed box makes for a pretty quick car up to 80mph.
Ok fair enough we are talking about a bigger turbo than standard in the TD05 20g, but any gains will be magnified come gear change time, because the WRX will do 60 in 2nd and the STI won't so, if you think about it TD04 will hit peak boost and torque and 60mph while the STI driver is pressing the clutch for the 3RD time and the TD05 with that huge 20g housing is still filling with exhaust gasses for the 3rd time.
Yes the TD04 equipped WRX will be over hauled later on, but it will already be GAME OVER.
Then think how much you will have spent to be in the same place as before, "Behind"
That's what really rubs these boys up the wrong way, oh and the fact they can't drive except in a straight line, and need coilovers and the stickest ruber they can find to get round a corner.
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I wouldn't go for the TD05 20G, you'll lose out in the traffic light grand prix big time, with a big laggy turbo and a front mount, my wagon with the TD04 would show you a clean pair of heels up to about 80mph.
Unless your driving around at 100mph+ quick spool is what you want, everyone bangs on about big numbers, but even the some of the big power boys are finally coming to the realisation that huge numbers doesn't necessarily mean your going to be faster, quick spool and midrange grunt is what wins on the road not top end, you'll run out of road and talent way before you run out of puff with a big turbo and lots of power.
As for the brakes, spend a bit more and go for AP's, or keep an eye on the for sale section, there's been a couple of sets of 6 pots recently, but you'll have to be quick when you see them.
Unless your driving around at 100mph+ quick spool is what you want, everyone bangs on about big numbers, but even the some of the big power boys are finally coming to the realisation that huge numbers doesn't necessarily mean your going to be faster, quick spool and midrange grunt is what wins on the road not top end, you'll run out of road and talent way before you run out of puff with a big turbo and lots of power.
As for the brakes, spend a bit more and go for AP's, or keep an eye on the for sale section, there's been a couple of sets of 6 pots recently, but you'll have to be quick when you see them.
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Oh shut up, we have already done this and no one could come up with a plausible answer.
But i'll outline for the benefit of the OP.
TD04 is one of if not the fastest spooling turbo's out there and the PPP map makes peak torque very early, coupled with the longer ratio's of the 5 speed box makes for a pretty quick car up to 80mph.
Ok fair enough we are talking about a bigger turbo than standard in the TD05 20g, but any gains will be magnified come gear change time, because the WRX will do 60 in 2nd and the STI won't so, if you think about it TD04 will hit peak boost and torque and 60mph while the STI driver is pressing the clutch for the 3RD time and the TD05 with that huge 20g housing is still filling with exhaust gasses for the 3rd time.
Yes the TD04 equipped WRX will be over hauled later on, but it will already be GAME OVER.
Then think how much you will have spent to be in the same place as before, "Behind"
That's what really rubs these boys up the wrong way, oh and the fact they can't drive except in a straight line, and need coilovers and the stickest ruber they can find to get round a corner.
But i'll outline for the benefit of the OP.
TD04 is one of if not the fastest spooling turbo's out there and the PPP map makes peak torque very early, coupled with the longer ratio's of the 5 speed box makes for a pretty quick car up to 80mph.
Ok fair enough we are talking about a bigger turbo than standard in the TD05 20g, but any gains will be magnified come gear change time, because the WRX will do 60 in 2nd and the STI won't so, if you think about it TD04 will hit peak boost and torque and 60mph while the STI driver is pressing the clutch for the 3RD time and the TD05 with that huge 20g housing is still filling with exhaust gasses for the 3rd time.
Yes the TD04 equipped WRX will be over hauled later on, but it will already be GAME OVER.
Then think how much you will have spent to be in the same place as before, "Behind"
That's what really rubs these boys up the wrong way, oh and the fact they can't drive except in a straight line, and need coilovers and the stickest ruber they can find to get round a corner.
Straight line warriors.....gotta love'em...
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I keep saying it on here, drivability is king, the bigger the numbers the harder it is to use, you need a fair bit of talent and experience to get the best out of it.
Perfect example is the Norris designs Evo in the TOTB thread, he's all over the place like a whirling dervish.
Power is nothing without control.
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Well spoke to the specialist who looks after my car last night and he says should be able to get around 400 for reasonable money, he's got a new Japspeed front mount lying about and make me up a custom cold air feed and he said he will look out for good td0520g turbo if I want to go ahead.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
As for the brakes are the Brembos not up to the task or would I need to splash out on maybe K sports.
Should maybe give the Astras a fright because up here they all think they've the fastest cars out there.
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I use Shennan Motorsport from Cumnock he only does Subarus and he gives you an old Impreza turbo courtesy car free even if your just getting minor work done.
I phoned quite a few places for prices when my clutch gave up and Paul was half the price of some places for fitting.
His prices are hard to beat for nearly everything I've had done tbh.
I phoned quite a few places for prices when my clutch gave up and Paul was half the price of some places for fitting.
His prices are hard to beat for nearly everything I've had done tbh.