joe v3sti

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So I'm currently exploring my options regarding an engine for my V2 STI RA. One of which is to run a sti newage ej20 short motor. I'm not after running crazy power, although I know quite a few people are doing with these in standard trim.
Obviously there's loads of used ones around but if I'm honest I feel that I you don't truely know what your buying second hand.
So I'm looking for someone who can supply a new short motor, there seems to be a few people supplying the 2.5's, but where can I get a new ej20 sti short motor? Also what is it going to cost ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, cheers joe

Shaun

You'll need to import from Japan and the cost would be prohibitive IMO.

joe v3sti

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Well the 2.5's seem readily avalible so why is this not the case for the ej20.
I think import car parts have them, at what cost tho

Joe

MattyB1983

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http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.u...productID=2613

Midlife......

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http://www.finchmotorsport.co.uk/page.php?a=3&s=69&p=69

I'd be happy to buy from Paul Finch...........

Shaun

MattyB1983

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Lateral is a safe bet too....

http://lateralperformance.co.uk/sect...ne_block_pairs

joe v3sti

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Both of these are bare block halves, no internals.

Rcm do a complete short motor here, not cheap tho! I was hoping to get it sub 1.8k to make it financially viable

http://www.rogerclarkmotorsport.co.u...productID=2110

Joe

Shaun

You've said you want NEW not second hand or recon. The 2ltr block is not used outside of Japan.... hence why you can't get them readily in the UK. You have no chance of getting one for your suggested budget.

the shreksta

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+1

for about £2500 you could have a motor fully forged by the likes of wms racing etc

my car was fitted with a new sti8 scdb short block (no heads) back in 2008 and that was £3500

if your willing to spend £1800 surely it makes sense to chuck a bit extra in and have a proper built motor?

joe v3sti

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I've been having a look all over the place this afternoon.
Note post number 34 from Kas
https://www.scoobynet.com/941358-new...h-power-2.html

Don't get me wrong I can imagine these prices have gone up slightly but ill speak with import car parts and see what they say.

I know what you guys are saying regarding getting someone in to build it and in some respect I agree. However it's well documented that the newage bottom end can handle decent power. And like I've said before I want to do as much of it myself as I can.

As I said in my build thread I'm looking at a few options, this being one. I could be swayed by low mileage well serviced used engine.

the shreksta

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i bought my sti 8 long engine off matty b @ pole position and its been fine,he doesnt buy ****e he buys good cars and breaks them and i will certainly be using him again

give him a try mate and by the time you have added a new timing kit/water pump,oil pump,oil and filter/plugs and maybe rocker gaskets you will be around your budget but you will have the avcs heads aswell which is a bonus

MattyB1983

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So you're looking for a completely built brand spanking new late STI engine for under £1800 ??

Kwik

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https://www.scoobynet.com/full-cars-...peed-more.html

"sti semi closed deck avcs heads long engine with a genuine 54000 mile only with full service all in excellent working order great runner very nice sound engine and very well looked after by mature owners ..no knocks rattles or oil or water use pulls very nice and runs faultless great replacement engine or wrx etc upgrade.sold as a long engine minus inlet/manifold/turbo etc £1350"

joe v3sti

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I had considered a long engine, manifold job lot. Obviously in order to get the avcs working there's going to be a few changes made including my alcatek and loom work amongst other things. Thanking into account I'm going to use this pretty much road only I think the avcs may come into play aiding spool. If this is going to be an option I really need to look into how to make the avcs work.
That looks like a good but Kwik, buying used from a reputable breaker would give me a lot more confidence than buying from joe bloggs.

Joe

Mattybr5@MB Developments

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Cheers matt for the kind words and kwik for the link added iv messaged joe with a even better deal which is a close to new as he will get even while I'm holiday

P.s matt don't forget the name change also

the shreksta

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haha sorry mate completely forgot about that........my bad

Kwik

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No probs Joe, at least you have the ECU to cope with AVCS, the loom work might be a nightmare though. Maybe look for similar, or buy without the heads and grab a set of V3/4 STI heads (not sure if they would fit).

joe v3sti

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Not a complete engine engine mate, just a short block. Nor does it need to be a late one, 2001 onwards.

Considering rcm have them for £2300 and generally speaking most things they sell can be had for less else where, I thought £1800 would have been there abouts. I imported my STI latheral links and trailing a arms direct and they worked out near enough £200 cheaper than rcm.

Joe

the shreksta

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have a look at jt innovations for the avcs custom wiring loom

Kwik

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Is your block CDB or ODB Joe?

Kwik

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Or even this.....

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...m-exhaust.html

I mean the short motor. £350, you'd probably get more for your engine once its out.

joe v3sti

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Mine is a cdb mate, it's all in really good condition tbh. I just want it all really fresh if you know what I mean. Mine would be ideal for a 2.1 but I think it's a bit ott for what I need.

Joe

By fresh I just think that the rest of the car is so good I think a nice engine etc would finish the car off really nicely

Kwik

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£1800 would buy you a lot then bud. I think I paid £700 from Realstreet performance for pistons, rods and ARP head studs. If you go for a short engine then someone will have to measure for squish, plus you should have your heads surfaces cleaned up, new head gaskets etc. Might be worth speaking to Enginetuner/WMS about them building your CBD for you?

joe v3sti

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So I've been making a few phone calls today, that and having browse on the net.
I've decided to go the full hog and go with a long engine, inlet manifold, injectors, engine loom, the lot!
So I spoke to my mapper and he thinks that this will be a good route for me. Obviously doing this makes the mechanical installation a bit easier in some respects, maybe harder in others! He's going to be taking care of the avcs wiring side of things.

Has anyone had any experience of doing similar conversions?

All your help and advice is welcome and needed here guys.

Joe

dunx

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AVCS only needs a couple wires per bank, not a big job if your ECU is capable of driving the solenoids. What about 2.1 into your block ? Super strong and more torquey than a 2.0...

AVCS wouldn't be as important then, IMHO. But would add even more to the spool up...

dunx

P.S. Don't forget the clutch....

joe v3sti

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Hey Dunx, I was tempted to go with a 2.1 but to do one properly I'm looking at big bucks. Also I think removing and installing an engine is within my mechanical abilities. However building one up from scratch is a different cup of tea all together. I know the overall finish I'm that I want and I think that it's more than achievable.

I also think a 2.1 forged stoker will be a bit ott for my needs.
All this in mind ill still be keeping my old engine should I need a mint cdb later down the line.

How many people are using the new alcatek with the avcs in a classic ??

Joe