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Old 09 October 2013 | 11:32 PM
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Found these on eBay will they fit a forged 2.5? Has anyone got any experience with them? Going. For a 600bhp build..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1812291371...84.m1423.l2648

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A lot of ppl have used his products and tbese rods are good. If u do a search you find some have used tjese in excess of 500bhp. But its the torque that affects the rods. Your better of asking william himselfon here. Very sound guy and is always happy to help and answer your qquestions
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Can't say they are or not but surely if you are going for a 600bhp build you don't want to be shopping on eBay.
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Can't say they are or not but surely if you are going for a 600bhp build you don't want to be shopping on eBay.

Was just something I came across on eBay mate.. Just wondering as they seem to be half the price of other rods I could use

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I've spoken to him a couple of times, really helpful...
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https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-general-1/821450-anyone-used-andy-williams-motorsport-for-a-build.html
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Mate I can pm you his number and you can ask him directly. He sells his rods for 250 . He will give you honest amd straight forward answers and wont meas you around
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Mate I can pm you his number and you can ask him directly. He sells his rods for 250 . He will give you honest amd straight forward answers and wont meas you around


Cheers mate will give him a ring tomorrow
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Hi Ryan

Personally I would go with best possible H-Beam rods,you don't want save money on the most important parts like is rods

Some people run Manley H-beam rods in excess 500bhp,but what I've spoke with Neil@Slowboy racing,he wouldn't run them above 550bhp

I would have look on K1 Rods those rods have great reputation and used are mainly by Alan and MartynJ@EngineTuner,if its budget then Carrillo or Cosworth/Pauter or Brian Crower seems are best rods you can get,yes over in USA you can buy Ti(Titanium) Rods

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Originally Posted by CREWJ
Can't say they are or not but surely if you are going for a 600bhp build you don't want to be shopping on eBay.
rcm has a ebay shop
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Hi Ryan

Personally I would go with best possible H-Beam rods,you don't want save money on the most important parts like is rods

Some people run Manley H-beam rods in excess 500bhp,but what I've spoke with Neil@Slowboy racing,he wouldn't run them above 550bhp

I would have look on K1 Rods those rods have great reputation and used are mainly by Alan and MartynJ@EngineTuner,if its budget then Carrillo or Cosworth/Pauter or Brian Crower seems are best rods you can get,yes over in USA you can buy Ti(Titanium) Rods

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Cheers Jura.. Will have a look around see what I can find... Doing build 100% rite so It will last have all winter to get it done so no rush

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Cheers Jura.. Will have a look around see what I can find... Doing build 100% rite so It will last have all winter to get it done so no rush

Ryan
Hi Ryan

If you have someone in USA,then better buy in USA rods plus other bits,there are cheaper like over here




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Originally Posted by jura11
Hi Ryan

If you have someone in USA,then better buy in USA rods plus other bits,there are cheaper like over here




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wish I knew someone over there but dont
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Given you have asked this question in the first place indicates your not going to be building this your self so why not let your builder spec the engine.

It's not just a case of buying bits, all the bits have to work together to make the compleat package, for instance my rods at 1mm longer, some run up to 6mm longer then obviously you need the marching piston etc etc

I would not be buying anything just because you "came across it" on ebay etc it needs to be thorght out properly.

If you are adumaent about sourcing parts yourself in look at http://realstreetperformance.com but again you run the risk of getting hit with the duty at customs of you most likely do you'll be paying similar prices anyway, also what if something goes wrong ?

My advice is to speak to someone like mark at lateral performance, alyn @ AS performance, Simon at SD Motorsport or Paul finch.

Oh and the biggest bit of advice is stay off ebay
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Oh and if your going to be running 600bhp in a 2.5 you tauq is gonna be huge so you will probably want a seriouse rod - cheveron Motorsport shows me one up to that job, 1k each though ! You'll be wanting a billet crank I would imadgen too

If you hit 600 out if a 2.5 ill bet a grand you right now you'll snap or bend one of them rods within 6 months

Do it properly or don't do it at all is the best thing to do
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Originally Posted by mazmike
rcm has a ebay shop
Yes but they ain't selling second hand rods from a company hardly heared of.

Not really the same
Old 10 October 2013 | 07:28 AM
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order from real street performance mate, trevor is a sound guy and they ship to the uk.google them mate
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Mark at lateral if your looking for rods bud. The crower rods he does are very nice indeed and well proven on many cars.

You dont need a billet crank!.

If its a 2.5 I would seriously think about contacting Ayln at AS performance about closing the deck and if budget allows then 14mm studs. I ran my own SCD at circa 630bhp (GT35R) but eventually the gaskets let go.

The decking job Ayln does is very nice indeed.

I'm currently rebuilding my 2.5 with the above done.
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Mark at lateral if your looking for rods bud. The crower rods he does are very nice indeed and well proven on many cars.

You dont need a billet crank!.

If its a 2.5 I would seriously think about contacting Ayln at AS performance about closing the deck and if budget allows then 14mm studs. I ran my own SCD at circa 630bhp (GT35R) but eventually the gaskets let go.

The decking job Ayln does is very nice indeed.

I'm currently rebuilding my 2.5 with the above done.

The block that is linked above that im looking at buying is a closed deck block mate
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This is what im looking at buying


https://www.scoobynet.com/showthread...5#post11231605
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Hi Ryan

Personally I would again search over here about the Pennine,few guys over here have with them not the best experience

Jura
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Hi Ryan

Personally I would again search over here about the Pennine,few guys over here have with them not the best experience

Jura

thanks jura

Didnt know that anyone has had problems with there engines... end of the day im in no rush to complete the build. I have a v3 engine coming next week wh8ch im taking th3 heads off and sending for porting and polish. Car is not needed until april next year so im sure I will be able to find a good reliable short engine by then

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Originally Posted by Rbon91
you will regret buying a linered block that has been done by pennine subaru.i dont think there are any that ever lasted.i had first hand experience of one and trust me,it wasnt one i would want to remember.
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http://realstreetperformance.com/store/subaru-66/

You don't need to know anybody in the USA,speak with Trevor at real street mate he will see you right
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Enginetuner built 2.1 stroker.
Used on Spanish tracks running in 35 degree heat.
Everything sourced, machined and built by us.
No Ebay parts. No worries.

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Originally Posted by the shreksta
http://realstreetperformance.com/store/subaru-66/

You don't need to know anybody in the USA,speak with Trevor at real street mate he will see you right
That looks a great US site!
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That looks a great US site!
I used them, I bought my Crower Rods, Wiseco 92.5mm pistons and ARP headstuds from them. I paid £30 or thereabouts tax as they only valued the items @ £100 .
Funnily enough as I fooked up, I sold the crower rods in place of slightly shorter WMS rods as the Wiseco piston's were "stroker" pistons.
I only found this out once I sent everything to Andy (WMS) and he advised me the way to go. I also bought a 2.5 crank off ebay for about £150, which I sent directly to Andy and he checked it out. That's now sitting in my 2.1 which is about to go back in the car, so we'll see how buying from Ebay goes.

I have bought loads on ebay, mainly from Advanced Automotive's shop.
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I used them, I bought my Crower Rods, Wiseco 92.5mm pistons and ARP headstuds from them. I paid £30 or thereabouts tax as they only valued the items @ £100 .
Funnily enough as I fooked up, I sold the crower rods in place of slightly shorter WMS rods as the Wiseco piston's were "stroker" pistons.
I only found this out once I sent everything to Andy (WMS) and he advised me the way to go. I also bought a 2.5 crank off ebay for about £150, which I sent directly to Andy and he checked it out. That's now sitting in my 2.1 which is about to go back in the car, so we'll see how buying from Ebay goes.

I have bought loads on ebay, mainly from Advanced Automotive's shop.
I'd be concerned about some Wiseco pistons, which suffer from pin flex and cracking.
As a legitimate business, I can't condone the avoidance of the correct import duty. Some would call that "fraud"?
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I'd be concerned about some Wiseco pistons, which suffer from pin flex and cracking.
As a legitimate business, I can't condone the avoidance of the correct import duty. Some would call that "fraud"?
What pistons/rods do you use? Do you sell a 2.1 stroker kit? If so how much?
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What pistons/rods do you use? Do you sell a 2.1 stroker kit? If so how much?
To answer that question I'd have to cross examine you first.
If I don't know the end game, I can't advise you properly.
Half the problem with suppliers is that they are selling you what's on the shelf, rather than what's appropriate.
I prefer not to supply "Kits" that's for "box shifters"
In my view the engineering is the important part, which is why we would much rather supply at least a built short block, knowing that the parts we chose are right for your needs, and that every effort has been made to ensure a good result.
Take a look at this.. It's filmed from Guadix Circuit in Spain and shows our engine powering this chap's Scooby.


It's been in the car for a year running serious power at tracks all over Spain.
If we didn't build it right he wouldn't be able to drive 140 miles to the circuit, do this all day then drive home again, would he? On top of that BTW, it spent 45 minutes idling perfectly at the Gibraltar border, as the damn Spanish Customs were having an off day..



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