The referendum, was never about the money, it is pretty much last on my list of concerns.

Sovereignty/ control whatever you want to label it as.

This is my desire and Vote Leave will go some way to achieving that.

 

Can I have your money then?

 

I genuinely find the daftness of this statement staggering. We live in a capitalist society, the prime concern should be the economics/money of the argument as it's what makes the world go round. What good is sovereignty if you're in a third world country?

 

here is some very good reading on the EU and UK parliamentary sovereignty by Mark Elliot

Mark Elliot is Professor of Public Law at the University of Cambridge, a Fellow of St Catharine's College, Cambridge, and Legal Adviser to the to the House of Lords Select Committee on the Constitution

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/201...-reading-list/

in particular read

what sovereignty actually is

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/201...y-sovereignty/


and how it applies in conjunction with membership of the EU

https://publiclawforeveryone.com/201...-be-sovereign/

 

I think its clear now we have reached the entrenched stage of proceedings, and see every development through a lens. This thread is now losing its value, as Andy says, people have made up their minds now.

Whats not been commented on is the last minute voter registration fiasco. There may will be a legal challenge to it, especially as the Gvmt is paying for Facebook ads specifically targeting the 18-35 group (who coincidentally are perceived as Remain voters). The numbers involved are something like 1.5 million extra votes. Makes me wonder how well checked they are to meet the voter requirements...

 

No you cant

leaving the EU will have a detriment to me financially initially, but I can see there is a bigger picture, so am prepared to accept a little less for a better way and quality of life.

 

Haha, maybe you can spend some of that extra EU money on a new pair of these

 

You're entitled to your opinion as am I. Its, just your's is wrong

 

I found Izzard an irratating tw@t whose ideolistic populist spiel was bereft of the practicalities of the real world and added very little to the debate. It was as if all he was interested in was saying anything in order to get another round of applause from the audience. I was shouting at the TV telling him to STFU and let someone else speak or at least stay on topic!! Luckily a few audience members told him to shutup, abeit only for 10 seconds or so. He couldn't help himself!

 

Thats exactly why I liked what he did. He was doing exactly what the leave campaigners have been doing for the whole campaign!

This sentence pretty much sums up the whole leave campaign - Thank you!

 

To be fair, both sides in the campaign are guilty. I'm still undecided as to how I will vote.

 

If in doubt, have you considered freedom, liberty and self governance as positive messages?

 

Have a look through the comments here for the publics view on Izzard http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36496288

Top rated Izzard related comment...

 

So now everyone has made their mind up, what shall we talk about now

Going to a BBQ/Euro party this weekend. On a diet right now so I wont be sampling the chargrilled (burnt) offerings but is it still etiquette to bring some along ?

And if England lose the opening match, can I blame the immigrants ?

 

Ah yes, so are they advocating that Izzard would be persecuted for being heterosexual, because that's what he is?

I do agree he was a complete pain in the **** last night, though.

 

All those people who have been wittering on about the unelected, unaccountable people in Brussels forcing all these rules on us we don't want, can you answer me this please?

Is Nigel Farage not one of these unelected, unaccountable people?

Is he not responsible for accepting these rules we don't want?

Was he not elected by the British people in the European elections?

Is he therefore not accountable to the British people?

 

But will we really see that - in actual day to day life?

Will our choices improve? What choices do I not have now that I will have if I vote leave?

Will being out of the EU free our government? - to do what?


I live in Wales which receives a net benefit from being in the EU. If I ignore all the garbage that can't be quantified, the only thing that is true is that Wales receives an economic benefit - so does that mean I should vote to stay in?

At the start I was out all the way, now I'm not so sure.


Edit - just as an aside. Wales received an awful lot of money in the 90s for regeneration from the EU. If you look at most of the outlying towns there hospitals are closing or services lost, the schools look like something from the soviet union but worse. But don't panic, the council offices, in the main, look like castles. However, now the money ran out they work from home as the can't afford the upkeep. One of the unspoken scandals of UK management IMO.

 

If we Brexit, the Premiership is going to look a bit crap

 

Doubt it as the foreign players will still flock here for the paychecks. It might be a bit awkward when Euro 2020 comes round though .

But like the yanks, we can always have a " world series "

 

Received my son's passport in the post yesterday, sporting the normal horrible purple cover with big EUROPEAN UNION branding on the top.

If we leave, I assume that will have to change but can we please have our blue passports back, I liked those .

 

I asked that question 30 odd pages back, how in anyone's day to day life to they feel persecuted by the EU

you still have to MOT and Insure your car - unless by "free" people mean being able to live like a gypsy traveller, and generally not give a toss

the simple reality is, the richer you are the freer you feel

sure the EU banned those old incandescent light bulbs a few years ago, so now I have to use those utterly brilliant LED bulbs - that last 10 years and cost nothing to run

if only I could be FREE to use 19th century technology to light my house!!!!!!!!

 

question for these lot .

Just curious as to why you are not voting. I appreciate Wurzel wont be as he is half kraut anyway

 

also on the basis that studies have shown blogs/forums post etc have a "lurker" rate of anything between 80 and 90% has anyone view/mind changed

either in to out or out to in

 

Yes, because anyone with half a brain would already realise the answers
No, he was elected by people voting UKIP with 751,439 votes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...t_constituency) to the EU PARLIAMENT

No, because he gets outvoted

Yes of course. As above

Yes of course. As above.

The point you are seemingly willfully ignoring or are completely ignorant of is how the EU Parliament works. The Parliament can only AMEND, it cannot block or propose new legislation, that is the role of the commissioners who have the sole right to do that. THEY are unelected and is where the true power lies. Watch this for a bit more background http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...eally-rules-us

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

 

LOL

 

I'd like to know who banned most of the high VOC paints and varnishes. I'll be dammed if I can get a decent exterior varnish in the UK. Without having to source some excuriating expensive 2 pack marine stuff intended for yacht decking.

Oddly you can get good stuff out in Spain that lasts the cold frost (colder than southern England) and extreme heat and doesn't cost much. So has Spain ignored any EU rules or did the UK self impose them.

And white gloss that goes yellow without enough sunlight....it never used to happen. Please let me blame it on that Van Rumpoy geezer (joke).

It's ironic that you can't get decent timber in Spain to use their superior varnish with. (I'm currently whittling a nameplate made from a piece of my old conservatory...just wet sanding and layering the (Spanish) varnish as I type ).

 

The "Commission" refers principally to two different bodies.

There is the commission of a whole which consists of all the bureaucrats who are unelected, performs the same role as Whitehall and ultimately has no power.

Then there is the commission collage consisting of 28 commissioners, one from each country although pledged to act in the interest of the EU parliament rather than their individual countries. These people do hold the power, but are elected by and answerable to the parliament itself. Their role is analogous to the government cabinet - who are also unelected to their positions by the people, but rather by the governing party.

So you see, everyone who has any power can be held to account. The 28 commissioners are answerable to the parliament and the parliament are answerable to us!

My real point is, if we want to change the EU for the better, then electing people who fundamentally want to destroy Europe may not be the best plan of action! We should perhaps vote for people who want to change the EU for the better without giving them any more powers! Or maybe even just vote for MEP rather than not being bothered and then complaining about the EU all the time!

 

You need your own man to maintain your varnish work

Either that or you're sucker for punishment / too well off

Anyway schooner gold, fresh coat additional every year

 

lol,

giving the Euro's a taste of immigration - "tooled up geezer styley"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36496745

they must wonder why they bother with us at all!!!

I suppose it is nice of us to show them what they will miss if we leave

 

First time I've had off for 8 months, Capt. Pugwash Even then it's a working holiday on somebody else's house!!! Including car repairs/maintained, transporting said car across Europe along with supplies and pets, cleaning, renovation of house, repairs and recommissioning of a swimming pool, installation of CCTV, replacing a shower. I'm almost done now, ready to go home and go back to "work"

I'll stop when I drop dead

And why need to paint it every year? It must be like the crappy UK stuff; What I'm using should be good for 8 years before needing a re-coat (Non-marine). Takes forever to properly harden in the humidity though