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12 November 2005, 06:51 PM
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From a Welshman thats one of the best games I've seen.
England deserved that completely, excellent end to end football with lots of shots.
Rooney and Owen up front and you can't go wrong.
England deserved that completely, excellent end to end football with lots of shots.
Rooney and Owen up front and you can't go wrong.
12 November 2005, 07:35 PM
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That was THE best England performance I have seen 
Argentina played superb football and so did England and not only was it the best match I have seen but also the most enjoyable as it was end to end stuff that was relatively clean with no cheating from either side or any controversial flare ups. It was a great advert for football 
Oh and if thats how Gerrard plays at right back then with crosses like that it should be his permanent position
I dislike Rooney as a character but tonight he got my support, its the most mature performance I have seen from him and if he can play like that all the time then I will change my opinion of him. Him and Owen played out of their skins for England and Beckham put in another solid performance too.
Terry was good in defence but I though Ferdinand was questionable again and think Campbell should have partnered Terry.
Robinson in goal was fantastic and he now must be our number 1 keeper with no close contenders to take the shirt off him.
Well done to the England team, the Northern Ireland game was abismal, Poland was a big turn around and showed hope and tonight they were just a different team and showed their true abilities which can win them the World Cup if they can play like that competitively and not choke. Proud to have worn my England top today
Argentina played superb football and so did England and not only was it the best match I have seen but also the most enjoyable as it was end to end stuff that was relatively clean with no cheating from either side or any controversial flare ups. It was a great advert for football Oh and if thats how Gerrard plays at right back then with crosses like that it should be his permanent position
I dislike Rooney as a character but tonight he got my support, its the most mature performance I have seen from him and if he can play like that all the time then I will change my opinion of him. Him and Owen played out of their skins for England and Beckham put in another solid performance too.
Terry was good in defence but I though Ferdinand was questionable again and think Campbell should have partnered Terry.
Robinson in goal was fantastic and he now must be our number 1 keeper with no close contenders to take the shirt off him.
Well done to the England team, the Northern Ireland game was abismal, Poland was a big turn around and showed hope and tonight they were just a different team and showed their true abilities which can win them the World Cup if they can play like that competitively and not choke. Proud to have worn my England top today
12 November 2005, 07:41 PM
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Im sorry I still feel Owen was quiet for the first 88minutes.... didnt really do much, his first touch is shocking but hopefully it'll improve with regular football now. I dont rate him at all, although his scoring record is superb he hardly scores wonder goals and most of them are usual striker goals that I feel most people can get with the service the england midfield provides.
Saying that though I do think you cant drop him at the moment whilst scoring like that and whilst getting regualr football
Saying that though I do think you cant drop him at the moment whilst scoring like that and whilst getting regualr football
12 November 2005, 09:11 PM
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True Dave, but goals are goals.
Im a Newcastle fan and have not been toooo impressed with Owen as yet. I thought he looked a bit slow and a bit moody to be honest. But, he does seem to be improving game by game. I do agree he's too quiet and a bit one dimensional at times though.
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Im a Newcastle fan and have not been toooo impressed with Owen as yet. I thought he looked a bit slow and a bit moody to be honest. But, he does seem to be improving game by game. I do agree he's too quiet and a bit one dimensional at times though.
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12 November 2005, 09:16 PM
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I dont rate him at all
He's there to score goals and that's what he does superbly well!!!
Why does he need to score wonder goals???
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12 November 2005, 11:18 PM
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eldudereno, lol why is it? he needs to be part of the team, control the ball, hold it up, link up with other players.... My comment was part of a whole statement which you managed to delete from the quote.... I did also say its hard to drop someone when they are scoring...
Look back on the game, forget the score and how well generally we did, if Owen didnt grab them last 2 goals (and all bl00dy well credit too him for doing it) and we lost 2-1, what would your opinion of Owen be exactly? you'd be moaning he did nowt and when the ball came his way he lost it..... As he does 90% of the time, only reason hes still in the team is because (apart fromt he fact Sven has a dream about him every night) the 10% of the time his movement off the ball pays off.
Look back on the game, forget the score and how well generally we did, if Owen didnt grab them last 2 goals (and all bl00dy well credit too him for doing it) and we lost 2-1, what would your opinion of Owen be exactly? you'd be moaning he did nowt and when the ball came his way he lost it..... As he does 90% of the time, only reason hes still in the team is because (apart fromt he fact Sven has a dream about him every night) the 10% of the time his movement off the ball pays off.
13 November 2005, 10:28 AM
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tap ins still count the same as 30yard wonder strikes (until the yanks get involved with rule changes) and i'd take owen doing bugger all for 88 mins then scoring 2 goals to win the game over owen having a blinder scoring 0 and us losing 2-1 any day of the week
that game just about summed up owen and every penalty box player on the planet.. just when you think it's over and the job is done you take your eye off them for 2 minutes and bang bang from winning a game all of a sudden you've lost a game
how many 30yard screamers did lineker score? not many if any as far as i know. the only players that do it on a regular basis are shearer(not regular now though) henry and lampard and these players are rare and completely different to owen
that game just about summed up owen and every penalty box player on the planet.. just when you think it's over and the job is done you take your eye off them for 2 minutes and bang bang from winning a game all of a sudden you've lost a game
how many 30yard screamers did lineker score? not many if any as far as i know. the only players that do it on a regular basis are shearer(not regular now though) henry and lampard and these players are rare and completely different to owen
13 November 2005, 01:39 PM
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FFS, did I say drop Owen no I didnt... I said its hard to drop a player whos scoring, I'll be the first to admit Owens movement off the ball makes him who he is, without that hes gash, first touch is about as good as any player in League 2... Some have better too.
Owen might score and you might get off his back, but the games he doesnt score think of someone who can hold the ball up and link up with that other striker....
Im not saying tap ins dont count, half of his goals though have been dodgy goals that'd go in anyway.
Owen might score and you might get off his back, but the games he doesnt score think of someone who can hold the ball up and link up with that other striker....
Im not saying tap ins dont count, half of his goals though have been dodgy goals that'd go in anyway.
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Originally Posted by davegtt
FFS, did I say drop Owen no I didnt... I said its hard to drop a player whos scoring, I'll be the first to admit Owens movement off the ball makes him who he is, without that hes gash, first touch is about as good as any player in League 2... Some have better too.
Owen might score and you might get off his back, but the games he doesnt score think of someone who can hold the ball up and link up with that other striker....
Im not saying tap ins dont count, half of his goals though have been dodgy goals that'd go in anyway.
Owen might score and you might get off his back, but the games he doesnt score think of someone who can hold the ball up and link up with that other striker....
Im not saying tap ins dont count, half of his goals though have been dodgy goals that'd go in anyway.
agreed about his 1st touch he can trap it further than i can kick it
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13 November 2005, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sonu
Crouch did well for Southampton in his last 7/8 games there but since joining Pool hasn't shown much.
both lanky both kak both great goalscorers what do some managers see in players that the rest of us don't
but then thats why they get millions of pounds per year and we don't i guess
booing him however is disgusting as he is wearing the ENGLAND shirt and i thought yesterdays reception was much much better
hope the lanky streak of p!$$ scores the winner in the world cup final and rams my words right back down my throat with extra chili sauce on
just out of interest has he scored at all for liverpool
i know he aint got any in the league this season
14 November 2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pauly
so you'd rather have crouch coz he can hold the ball up and link play, according to the experts.
agreed about his 1st touch he can trap it further than i can kick it
agreed about his 1st touch he can trap it further than i can kick it
experts, you mean like Mark I know **** Lawrensons.... some of these so called experts are a disgrace to football.
That little **** Le Saux does my head in too, cant stand him making a living out of stating the obvious.
14 November 2005, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Did I say play crouch? no.... Id rather Defoe be on the pitch myself.
experts, you mean like Mark I know **** Lawrensons.... some of these so called experts are a disgrace to football.
That little **** Le Saux does my head in too, cant stand him making a living out of stating the obvious.
experts, you mean like Mark I know **** Lawrensons.... some of these so called experts are a disgrace to football.
That little **** Le Saux does my head in too, cant stand him making a living out of stating the obvious.
crouch is a different option but if your lookin for something different i'd prefer hesky to crouch. granted he spends more time on his ar$e than his feet but thats because defenders were scared of his strength and presence and didn't know how to handle it legally (incidently i don't think heskey is good enough either)
agreed about the pundits they get paid to $lag ENGLAND, sometimes you wonder which match they are watchin. le socks is boring as hell get ian wright behind the mike that would liven things up a bit
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I missed the first half (working) 
. But I did see nearly all the second half.
All I can say is it was electric towards the end, then Englands 3rd went in and it was like it was the world cup final the way the crowd and commentators went bezerk.
http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buil...hoice=FB988239
England 3rd choice to win world cup in william hill's eyes at the mo.
COME ON!!!
Lee
. But I did see nearly all the second half.All I can say is it was electric towards the end, then Englands 3rd went in and it was like it was the world cup final the way the crowd and commentators went bezerk.
http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buil...hoice=FB988239
England 3rd choice to win world cup in william hill's eyes at the mo.
COME ON!!!
Lee
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