My 335D Mapped
25 March 2009 | 12:37 AM
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My 335D Mapped
Superchips Bluefin to be precise.
Apart from a minor issue with applying the map last night due to a second stage ignition that was needed and not mentioned in the manual or the fault codes listed (and a small amount of crapping myself as the car failed to start at all with all sorts of diagnostic failures and errors coming up on the car....), I finally applied it this morning.
Stock Power is:
~286 BHP
432 Ft Lb.
The map is a generic map applied with a hand held device and it allows easy application and removal of the maps in literally about 2 minutes... Due to it being generic and therefore not mapped individually on a RR, the price is both low (£380) and conservative in the gains to ensure the map tolerance is OK for any small discrepancies in the standard 335 units.... However increases claimed equate to:
335 BHP
500 Ft Lb
Specifically mapped cars can release 520 Ft Lbs and 360 BHP for about £400 more.
There's not a lot of info from the field on whether these gains are accurate, but driving the car today I can confirm the gains are significant.
The car now feels totally more alive. As I'm doing a lot of town driving, the main noticeable difference is from the BHP gain. It really does pull and feel like a petrol car now (seems more free revving and smoother) and has very similar pull and shove to my old and now Si's T20. The semi-autobox makes the car stunning to drive and the gear changes remain seamless and allow constant acceleration. In standard D mode, the car changes quickly through to the higher gears but the improvement in acceleration here is stunning. In fact, the std traction control is now kicking in a lot and damping the power away... I know have to engage dynamic traction control (simple button press with the next stage being off completely) in order to give the rear wheels the freedom they need.
In sport mode (DS), you can manually shift and hold onto the power band much better. All 500 Ft Lbs are available from 1700-3500 revs. Remember this is a diesel so the power band is narrow. Keeping it in there isn't a chore at all and isn't an issue, especially with such phenomenal overtaking power now available... there really is no need to rev it to the redline anymore to squeeze the power out.
All in all.....an unbeliveable amount of difference for a small price. previously the car could pull away (albeit slowly) from a 380 BHP Scoob in lazy D mode at cruising speeds... Now? It would fair motor away as well as be able to stand up well to the low speed acceleration.
It's never going to compete in the hard twisties with 200kg to lug about and a much more compliant suspension.. but for 99% of the time.. this thing will now be very hard to beat.
The next stage is to get it on AET's Dynapack, but frst we have to check that the auto box will not cause unreliable results as it doesn't lend itself well to RR's as it can still change up and down if the revs fall below a 'safe' level or go above the redline... Either way, I'll be looking to get a proper graph to show to see if lives up the the claims..
For starters, here is the Superchips generic map from a car that making 16 BHP down on standard....
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/335d286bhp.pdf
Apart from a minor issue with applying the map last night due to a second stage ignition that was needed and not mentioned in the manual or the fault codes listed (and a small amount of crapping myself as the car failed to start at all with all sorts of diagnostic failures and errors coming up on the car....), I finally applied it this morning.
Stock Power is:
~286 BHP
432 Ft Lb.
The map is a generic map applied with a hand held device and it allows easy application and removal of the maps in literally about 2 minutes... Due to it being generic and therefore not mapped individually on a RR, the price is both low (£380) and conservative in the gains to ensure the map tolerance is OK for any small discrepancies in the standard 335 units.... However increases claimed equate to:
335 BHP
500 Ft Lb
Specifically mapped cars can release 520 Ft Lbs and 360 BHP for about £400 more.
There's not a lot of info from the field on whether these gains are accurate, but driving the car today I can confirm the gains are significant.
The car now feels totally more alive. As I'm doing a lot of town driving, the main noticeable difference is from the BHP gain. It really does pull and feel like a petrol car now (seems more free revving and smoother) and has very similar pull and shove to my old and now Si's T20. The semi-autobox makes the car stunning to drive and the gear changes remain seamless and allow constant acceleration. In standard D mode, the car changes quickly through to the higher gears but the improvement in acceleration here is stunning. In fact, the std traction control is now kicking in a lot and damping the power away... I know have to engage dynamic traction control (simple button press with the next stage being off completely) in order to give the rear wheels the freedom they need.
In sport mode (DS), you can manually shift and hold onto the power band much better. All 500 Ft Lbs are available from 1700-3500 revs. Remember this is a diesel so the power band is narrow. Keeping it in there isn't a chore at all and isn't an issue, especially with such phenomenal overtaking power now available... there really is no need to rev it to the redline anymore to squeeze the power out.
All in all.....an unbeliveable amount of difference for a small price. previously the car could pull away (albeit slowly) from a 380 BHP Scoob in lazy D mode at cruising speeds... Now? It would fair motor away as well as be able to stand up well to the low speed acceleration.
It's never going to compete in the hard twisties with 200kg to lug about and a much more compliant suspension.. but for 99% of the time.. this thing will now be very hard to beat.
The next stage is to get it on AET's Dynapack, but frst we have to check that the auto box will not cause unreliable results as it doesn't lend itself well to RR's as it can still change up and down if the revs fall below a 'safe' level or go above the redline... Either way, I'll be looking to get a proper graph to show to see if lives up the the claims..
For starters, here is the Superchips generic map from a car that making 16 BHP down on standard....
http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/335d286bhp.pdf
Last edited by Alan C; 25 March 2009 at 12:51 AM.
25 March 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Hi Al,
I found the 330D changing gear(auto box with chip) at high and low revs to be a pain in the **** too,it would allways change just as you would have liked a little more in that gear, Also the dsg never actually did turn off.... it was allways there just slowing you down, more so on brisk starts out of a junction is that what you find?
Still good smooth fun the ole smoker Eh!!
Steve
I found the 330D changing gear(auto box with chip) at high and low revs to be a pain in the **** too,it would allways change just as you would have liked a little more in that gear, Also the dsg never actually did turn off.... it was allways there just slowing you down, more so on brisk starts out of a junction is that what you find?
Still good smooth fun the ole smoker Eh!!
Steve
25 March 2009 | 02:57 PM
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Hi Al,
I found the 330D changing gear(auto box with chip) at high and low revs to be a pain in the **** too,it would allways change just as you would have liked a little more in that gear, Also the dsg never actually did turn off.... it was allways there just slowing you down, more so on brisk starts out of a junction is that what you find?
Still good smooth fun the ole smoker Eh!!
Steve
I found the 330D changing gear(auto box with chip) at high and low revs to be a pain in the **** too,it would allways change just as you would have liked a little more in that gear, Also the dsg never actually did turn off.... it was allways there just slowing you down, more so on brisk starts out of a junction is that what you find?
Still good smooth fun the ole smoker Eh!!
Steve
The TC isn't a problem as I don't drive to the point of needing total back out lunacy or tyre shredding burnouts... so I'm happy with it kicking in to save me from the dreaded dry styone walls!
Martyn.. it is mate...
25 March 2009 | 04:29 PM
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From: From : somewhere between here & there - also at wyioc.co.uk - are you?
Nice one, you'll have to pop into work one day if you get chance and i'll have a proper nosey at it.
I too am in the beemer club now with an E46 M3 SMG. The evo had to go as it was starting to cost more money that i wanted to spend on it!
See you soon mate.
Martyn
I too am in the beemer club now with an E46 M3 SMG. The evo had to go as it was starting to cost more money that i wanted to spend on it!
See you soon mate.
Martyn
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25 March 2009 | 09:30 PM
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Can't say I've seen a M3 there....
But definitely... I'll pop in as I have some news regarding my new job
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25 March 2009 | 10:02 PM
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No.. I preferred the ease of the Bluefin as I don't have to worry too much about reflashing after a service etc...
I'm trying to work out your 660... Is that 660 NM and not Ft Lbs? 660 Ft Lbs = 895 NM.... I thought the gearbox went into Limp mode at 700 nm... if that is 660 Ft Lbs then that's pretty staggering... and a special map from the Evolve boys?
Unless you mean 660 NM where that = 486 ft Lbs.... pretty similar to mine @ ~667 & 500
25 March 2009 | 10:04 PM
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No.. I preferred the ease of the Bluefin as I don't have to worry too much about reflashing after a service etc...
I'm trying to work out your 660... Is that 660 NM and not Ft Lbs? 660 Ft Lbs = 895 NM.... I thought the gearbox went into Limp mode at 700 nm... if that is 660 Ft Lbs then that's pretty staggering... and a special map from the Evolve boys?
Unless you mean 660 NM where that = 486 ft Lbs.... pretty similar to mine @ ~667 & 500
No.. I preferred the ease of the Bluefin as I don't have to worry too much about reflashing after a service etc...
I'm trying to work out your 660... Is that 660 NM and not Ft Lbs? 660 Ft Lbs = 895 NM.... I thought the gearbox went into Limp mode at 700 nm... if that is 660 Ft Lbs then that's pretty staggering... and a special map from the Evolve boys?
Unless you mean 660 NM where that = 486 ft Lbs.... pretty similar to mine @ ~667 & 500
25 March 2009 | 10:05 PM
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28 March 2009 | 07:00 PM
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Just let me know when you're in the area or want to pop down and we can nip out...
28 March 2009 | 07:19 PM
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28 March 2009 | 07:39 PM
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Changed your mind again 
I have to make do with a measly 420Nm
Al, I may have to contact RedMan to see if we can borrow his Driftbox. I'd love to know what the 30-70 is now. Standard 3.3s is
but you might be below 3s now 
I have to make do with a measly 420Nm
Al, I may have to contact RedMan to see if we can borrow his Driftbox. I'd love to know what the 30-70 is now. Standard 3.3s is
but you might be below 3s now
28 March 2009 | 07:58 PM
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I'll check on the BM forums and see if anyone has done any times...
28 March 2009 | 10:10 PM
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From a mapped 335D owner...
50-70 = 2.6secs
30-70 = 4.4secs
0-100 = 11.9secs
Not sure how he measured them as the board went off for updates... but I'll ask when it comes back.
For comparison... a WR1 will do the;
50-70 = 4.6
30-50 = 4
0-100 = 10.67
50-70 = 2.6secs
30-70 = 4.4secs
0-100 = 11.9secs
Not sure how he measured them as the board went off for updates... but I'll ask when it comes back.
For comparison... a WR1 will do the;
50-70 = 4.6
30-50 = 4
0-100 = 10.67
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28 March 2009 | 10:38 PM
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Hmm, Googling 335D's the 30-70 I usually see quoted for a standard car is 3.3s, with the V10 M5 trundling in behind at 3.7s 
I'll see if I can contact Dave and get his box of tricks and we'll go find a quiet straight road for some abu... err, testing 
I'll see if I can contact Dave and get his box of tricks and we'll go find a quiet straight road for some abu... err, testing
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Smog burners unite, the world is ours....
Seriously, my sis bought a Nova SXi TD back in 1992, I saw all this coming (with trepidation !) that little baby flew. Handling was a laugh, but it wasted the SR of the day with no trouble.
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From: Slowly rebuilding the kit of bits into a car...
30-70 mph stats:
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII extreme (VII)
4.4 secs
135 BMW 5 series M5 (E39 (98-03))
4.3 secs
136 Mercedes S class S55 AMG (221 (02 - ))
4.1 secs
137 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo Vi Tomi Makinen (VI)
4.1 secs
138 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR (VI)
4.1 secs
139 Holden HSV GTS s (0)
4.0 secs
140 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII Fast Road (VII)
4.0 secs
141 Mercedes C class C32 AMG (203 (00 - ))
3.9 secs
142 Lotus Carlton - (-)
3.8 secs
143 Mercedes E class E55 AMG (211 (02 - ))
3.7 secs
144 BMW 5 series M5 (E60 (05-))
3.6 secs
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII extreme (VII)
4.4 secs
135 BMW 5 series M5 (E39 (98-03))
4.3 secs
136 Mercedes S class S55 AMG (221 (02 - ))
4.1 secs
137 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo Vi Tomi Makinen (VI)
4.1 secs
138 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR (VI)
4.1 secs
139 Holden HSV GTS s (0)
4.0 secs
140 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII Fast Road (VII)
4.0 secs
141 Mercedes C class C32 AMG (203 (00 - ))
3.9 secs
142 Lotus Carlton - (-)
3.8 secs
143 Mercedes E class E55 AMG (211 (02 - ))
3.7 secs
144 BMW 5 series M5 (E60 (05-))
3.6 secs