IWatkins

Seeing how lesser disks always have problems with warping/cracking etc., I would strongly suggest you spend the extra and get the genuine items. If you are going to spend that much a few hundred more for a kit with genuine parts makes sense in my book.

My humble opinion only.

Cheers

Ian

Iain P

Just spoke to them and if I can get 5+ orders, they can supply: 325 x 28 mm disks (drilled, grooved or both); 4 pot callipers (gold, black or red); braided hoses, alloy bells, brackets - £900 incl VAT!!! Normally £1000. Delivery is £10. Any takers?

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

These won't fit under 16" wheels will they???

How are these kits different to the ScoobySport kit???

Andy

Iain P

Think they do a 308mm kit that will fit under the 16's. I will check. The differences are that they manufacture their own disks (think they buy EBC castings and machine them), brackets and bells. The kit is serious value for money! You also get a choice of EBC Greens or Mintex 1144.

Iain P

At £600+ cheaper I'll take a chance and they offer a 12 month warranty and can recommend them for track use.

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Hi all , Just to clarify I do not use EBC discs in my big disc kits , They are manufactured in Germany and we machine them for our own kits , They are a very good quality disc that we give a 12 month guarantee on , We also make our own bells and bracket , and that is how we can keep the cost of the kits down , Many Thanks , Ian ,

IWatkins

Iain,

Well a 12 month warranty is worth having I suppose and I really hope you find they are really good and have no problems at all. Honestly I do.

But just what parts of the kit are Brembo and which parts are made in house or machined from cheaper materials ? Do you know if the bells and discs are matched so that the differential temperatures don't cause the discs to warp ? Are the pads offered up to the task ? Are the caliper spacing brackets genuine and if not are they strong enough ? Are the bolts used to hold the disc to the bells strong enough ? Are the bolts that hold the caliper spacer to the car strong enough ?

All I ask is that you consider these questions now and also as you come towards the Esses at Dono at 125mph after a few hot laps.

I wish to say a lot more about these kits badged as Brembo/AP etc. that actually contain very little from those makers. But I fear I will be seen to be slagging Godspeed and others who put these kits together and hence will have my post deleted.

Please, all I ask is you consider these questions further before you commit. Might be alarmist, but you really don't want to be messing around with brake kits.

Again, just my humble opinion and all this represents my views and no one elses.

Cheers

Ian

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Ian , Just to clarify I do not offer my kits badged as Brembo or AP kits , if you look ay my web site I say our discs are also available with the AP or Brembo calipers , I am proud of our products and the last thing I want to do is try and pass them off as someone else's , I have been making brake conversions for about 10 years and the materials we use are the finest , We use the proper bolts in all our kits and in 10 years have never had a failure , If we wern't happy with the quality of our products we would not sell them , and if they wern't any good I'm sure we would not be in business after all this time , If any of you are going to the REVS day in the 3 sisters race track on the 15th March you will see plenty of cars with my brakes on , I will be on the track myself in my rally car , I will also have a stand showing different kits off , come and have a look and say hello , Cheers Ian , Ps , Why is everyone called Ian !!!

IWatkins

Ian,

Thanks for the post.

Right, OK, so basically this kit isn't Brembo at all then ? The topic poster (another Iain) seemed to think it was.

Ian Godney (just so we know whos whos) would you please be so kind as to outline on this thread exactly what you are offering in this kit for 900 notes. To save time, just list the parts, where they come from, if new or reconditioned etc. It always saves time in the long run

Anyway, yes, why is everyone on this thread called Ian ? (Apart from Andy, who, just this once, can be an honourary Ian )

Cheers

Ian

carl

Ian (that's Godspeed Ian) -- your website recommends the steel calipers for road use as, amongst other things, they have dust seals. Does this mean the aluminium calipers (Wilwood/Brembo/AP) don't have dust seals?

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

The kits we supply will include ,

Pair Brembo 4 pot calipers
325mm x 28mm discs , any spec ,
aluminium bells, Polished not coloured ,
mounting brackets ,all nuts and bolts
Choice of Mintex m1144 , Greenstuff or Brembo gold pads ,
Pair braided hoses.All parts are brand new not reconditioned , and have 12 month guarantee , And the Brembo and AP 5200 calipers do have dust seals , the wilwood ones don't , Hope this helps , Ian

Stef

Ian.
Are you saying that if someone buys one of your kits, uses it on track and within 12 months gets cracked/warped discs as a result, you replace them free of charge?
My AP discs would never get through a year of track days. What are the conditons?

Stef.

[This message has been edited by Stef (edited 06 March 2001).]

Iain P

don't remember posting or even thinking that this was a complete Brembo setup (maybe a refresher course for the mind reading is in order )!! I have spoken to Ian, have looked at the website and I think the kit of bits is serious value for money and are good quality parts. Come on, any takers for this generous offer?

IWatkins

Iain,

I think the confusion was that you posted the original thread with a topic of "GodSpeed group buy £900!! (Brembos)"

Hence the confusion.

Cheers

Ian

ric

Hello all,

I have 2 sets of these kits with Brembo calipers on order (308mm). I think they will be delivered the next 2 weeks (I live in Switzerland).

When they arrive I will let you know how good they are....but I am absolutely sure, that they will be as good as any other "Brembo" kit. I think Scoobysport do the same as Godspeed, they use Brembo calipers with discs from another brand and mount the calipers that they fit the Scooby.

Also I have to say that Godspeed does reply very fast, accurate and polite to the mails you send.

greetings from Switzerland
Richard Müller

harj

Mr Godney!

I would also like to hear a reply to Stefs question as I would be looking to upgrade the brakes on a 575BHP Ford RS200, the car will only be used for Track Days and a little Road driving.

What Pads do you offer if the Kits are mainly used for Track Days?

Harj...

sasim

Eyes are open wide with interest.....

So what about this 12 month warranty then, will it cover warped/cracked disks??.

I might be interested in a kit to fit under 16" wheels (308mm disks??)

Does anyone with this brake kit fitted care to comment on their impressions/experiences.

Ian (Watkins that is ) thanks for your comments/clarifications so far.

Stuart

Pete Croney

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I think Scoobysport do the same as Godspeed, they use Brembo calipers with discs from another brand

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"That other brand" that Scoobysport use is AP (who are owned by Brembo).

Years ago we had a small percentage of Brembo disc failures, all resulting from hard track use. But since supplying the AP disc/bell from July 2000, there has not been one single cracked or warped disc. Almost every single user of these kits is a track day regular and will often put in 100+laps on the day.

And we don't put Green Stuff or 1144 pads in.

We recommend Pagid RS42's.

A proper track/fast road pad.

[This message has been edited by Pete Croney (edited 07 March 2001).]

Iain P

Godspeed can supply a 308mm kit for the same price £900 to suit 16" alloys but you'll need to confirm with them the clearances for the wheels you have (i.e. caliper to wheel and disk to rim). To get the discount we really need to send the orders at the same time but they'll dispatch individually (delivery is £10 per kit). E-mail me if you want to go for it.

Hoppy

I'm sure this thread is good-intentioned but initially it suggests a bargain Brembo kit, which, on closer examination, turns out to be a varied assortment of bits, mixed and matched to fit a Scoob.

It is also a blatant advertisement.

I have no idea if these kits are good or bad, value for money or not. What I do know is that it is very easy for almost anyone to put a brake kit together. I also know that you generally get what you pay for.

I find it extremely hard to believe that these brakes are unconditionally guaranteed for 12 months, bearing in mind that nobody other than track day drivers are likely to pay this sort of money. 1144 pads or Greenstuff are not suitable for track use.

And, as has been said above, brakes are an important safety component!

If this brake kit is as good as is claimed, let someone put it to the test. I'm a willing volunteer (I'm sure there are others) and will drive it as hard as I can on road and track, and then **** it to death on a brake dyno. If it matches up to my APR brakes, I will happily pay the full price.

It is good that new, high quality and value for money products are given a fair airing on this board. But with something as expensive and important as this, some kind of track record (pun intended) is necessary before calls for group deals are made.

Richard Hopkins

PS If anyone wants to contact me re this post, please use my home mail, r_hoppy@hotmail.com as I'm out of the office until next week.

[This message has been edited by Hoppy (edited 07 March 2001).]

Iain P

Jesus Christ!!!!!!!! I didn't want a debate on this. Does anyone want the kit or not?! Nobody has said a bad word against Godspeed yet the vultures are circling overhead! As for a blatant advert, Hoppy, what are you on?! A bit more clarification on the warranty would be a good idea but other than that it's a done deal. I asked if anyone had any experience of Godspeed on another thread with no response. Put up a thread asking for a few more orders and hey presto! If you want a group buy please e-mail me off line asap and I'll approach Godspeed again. I'm sure they really don't give rats **** if we buy them or not with this attitude.

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Well there's some interesting remarks !!! My discs are guaranteed against warping , on a road car you will not crack our discs , if you do a lot of track days you will eventually crack any disc , Any make ,Due to the heat that gets generated on the track , if the cracks make the discs warp I will change them , I recognise some of the names from the , dare i say it RS owners club BB , There is a chap on there called Bruce Read , Carcrusher he's known as , 545bhp 2wd cossy , he has used my brakes for about 6 years , I know he did 3 years of track days with my 325mm four pot kit and the only reason he took them off is he fitted our 355mm kit after fitting 18" wheels , he sold the 325mm kit on to someone else and there still going strong , Ask him his thoughts on our products , I hope this helps , Many Thanks , Ian

Jacko

I must say, I've got to agree with IainP & Ian Godney.
Who's to say that the 'KIT'S' that are put together by all of the upgrade company's (not gonna name drop!) don't mix and match components?
Who's to say that the Godspeed kit doesn't out perform so called 'OFFICIAL' brake kit's?
Does anyone really give a To$$ about opinions based without the necessary intellect and more importantly knowledge of Godspeeds products?
Some of these comments about, yer gets wot yer pay for, what utter b0110x! Everyone know's these Brembo/AP kits have a premium attached but know one knows how they compare to Godspeeds Kit! Who know's, Godspeeds kit may kick Brembo/AP ****!
If you want a decent kit off of a reputable company at a third of the price then go for it!
If you are a self opinionated bigot, then spend your hard earned dosh on a kit with a heavy premium attached and more fool you

[This message has been edited by Jacko (edited 07 March 2001).]

harj

Mr Godney

Do you do a 6 Pot Kit too? as I am after the best stopping power there?

Jacko

Hi Harj, I thought you had recently bought a kit from GGR??????

P.S. How's that scanned Octane data coming along then???

Jacko

Gunna

Jesus, theres some w@nkers on this thread.

Blatant advertising,i didn't see ian godney ramping this product he merely replied to clarify a few points.

What has this guy done to upset some of you,offer a pruduct at a good price instead of trying to screw us like alot of suppliers out there are doing.

Try speaking to someone who uses these brakes before passing judgement and then you might be in a position to comment on them.

T0ssers

MARK MORRIS

i can vouch for ians(godspeeds) brake kits but not on a scoob. i have had two of ians kits on my two previous opel mantas, both 308mm discs, one with volvo 4 pots, the other with willwoods, the willwoods are amazing, did a day at goodwood last year, 45 laps in one stint, only had to come in as i was about to run out of petrol, the car was modified and holding its own with the lotus carltons that were there
mark
ian i may be interested in a 308 mm kit for the scoob

Hoppy

Ian Godney, Mr Godspeed, thank you for remaining calm under fire and giving us a few facts. It's appreciated. Really, thanks.

Some comments.

This started out as a commercial thread, unintentionally or otherwise. I don't have a problem with that, but recognising it is relevant.

There has also been an implication that this 'Brembo' kit is the same, or as good as, another 'Brembo' kit on the market which costs a great deal more. They are actually completely different in every single component.

Okay. Look at the Godspeed web site where it says "these (steel Brembo) calipers are more suited to a road car than alluminium calipers because they are more robust and have all the proper seals... alluminium racing type calipers are designed for performance rather than reliability and will require rebuilding at frequent intervals."

So these calipers are better than Brembo's own alluminium calipers, or APR's or Prodrive? I don't think so. All of these have the "proper seals" and require no more maintenance than steel calipers. The main difference with the Godspeed calipers is that they are much heavier and much cheaper.

There are also several references to track day performance. You won't do many laps with Mintex 1144 pads (ask Stef) or Greenstuff which comes with the kit - both road-only pads. I don't know about Brembo Gold.

My only point is that these brake kits are not well known in Subaru circles and I, and some others, would like more information, and clarification of some apparent contradictions, before saying this is a great deal.

It may be, especially if you compare them with £1,500 kits. On the other hand, for around £250 I could take my car with its standard 4-pot steel calipers and fit it with EBC up-rated discs and Greenstuff pads. Now where's the bargain? And the EBC kit is tried, tested and proven for ROAD use.

Gunna, I'm thick skinned enough to be called most things, but your language is not appropraite to this BBS. Mail me off-line and call me whatever you like

Let's chill a bit and give Godspeed a fair hearing.

Richard Hopkins

Iain P

Don't see how you can say this is a commercial thread ?? And as for giving Godspeed a fair hearing.....I didn't know this was a trial!!! So, back to the original question, 'who wants to group-buy?' Please start your own thread to discuss this to death. Bigots need not apply

Stef

My question was posted with genuine interest, if Godspeed were offering an unconditional 12 month warranty on their discs (as was the impression given) then I would be banging their door down! Not covering the discs cracking is not a full warranty is it?
Most people are aware that I have an 'official' AP kit on my car, but that doen't mean I'm blinkered against anything being better. However, the cost of these discs is perhaps worthy of a trial. I just need to know whether the warranty applies to the use of any pad or just the ones supplied with the kit. As has already been mentioned, neither Mintex or EBC recommend the supplied pads for track use, and those pads would disintegrate before generating enough heat to permanently warp or crack the disc. If this is the case, then any supplier could offer a similar warranty.
I have heard good things about Godspeed (Car Crusher being one advocate, though he brakes like a girl! ) and bad things (mainly from Sunny GTi-R owners) so am willing to keep an open mind.
And I don't think this thread started off as being commercial, as someone was simply asking about a group buy.

Stef.