2 pot Rear Brake Conversion on MY98 WRX
06 December 2004, 10:15 PM
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2 pot Rear Brake Conversion on MY98 WRX
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UPDATE!!
We have the option to buy some nice brackets that allow the use of 2 pot rear callipers with the classic hub that retains its 170mm hand brake mechanism. Please contact Dyney for a price.
Also, have a look here
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=10;t=000329
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I have just bought the rear brake setup from a 22b.
I have got the backing plates, handbrake shoes and kit, pads, discs and callipers.
I have been told that they fit straight on to my rear hubs, but I'm not too sure.
I am well prepared for having to buy hubs, shafts and the diff if needs be, but do I need them? Anyone done this to theirs?
Cheers,
Wayne.
UPDATE!!
We have the option to buy some nice brackets that allow the use of 2 pot rear callipers with the classic hub that retains its 170mm hand brake mechanism. Please contact Dyney for a price.
Also, have a look here
http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=10;t=000329
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I have just bought the rear brake setup from a 22b.
I have got the backing plates, handbrake shoes and kit, pads, discs and callipers.
I have been told that they fit straight on to my rear hubs, but I'm not too sure.
I am well prepared for having to buy hubs, shafts and the diff if needs be, but do I need them? Anyone done this to theirs?
Cheers,
Wayne.
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10 December 2004, 09:11 PM
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The handbrake drum will be the wrong size 170mm on all classic except Type R's,Ra's and the 22B, not sure about the P1, where its 190mm. This is due to a larger rear diff being run, the 22B was based on the V4 Type R which I have so there is no ABS because of the DCCD and it will have the larger handbrake drum.
So you may well need to buy the larger hubs, shafts and diff as you said, but I dont know if that is an easy swap.
An other option may be to use the handbrake setup from the 22B on your hubs but I dont know if that would fit either, I would pressume not.
So you may well need to buy the larger hubs, shafts and diff as you said, but I dont know if that is an easy swap.
An other option may be to use the handbrake setup from the 22B on your hubs but I dont know if that would fit either, I would pressume not.
10 December 2004, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Welloilbeefhooked
I have just bought the rear brake setup from a 22b.
I have got the backing plates, handbrake shoes and kit, pads, discs and callipers.
I have been told that they fit straight on to my rear hubs, but I'm not too sure.
I am well prepared for having to buy hubs, shafts and the diff if needs be, but do I need them? Anyone done this to theirs?
Cheers,
Wayne.
I have got the backing plates, handbrake shoes and kit, pads, discs and callipers.
I have been told that they fit straight on to my rear hubs, but I'm not too sure.
I am well prepared for having to buy hubs, shafts and the diff if needs be, but do I need them? Anyone done this to theirs?
Cheers,
Wayne.
You wont need this sort of set up.
If you want to concentrate anywhere, concentrate on the front setup of your car where the major ammount of braking force is, you will benefit more from it than changing the rear calipers.
Tony
11 December 2004, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
You want the honest truth?
You wont need this sort of set up.
If you want to concentrate anywhere, concentrate on the front setup of your car where the major ammount of braking force is, you will benefit more from it than changing the rear calipers.
Tony
You wont need this sort of set up.
If you want to concentrate anywhere, concentrate on the front setup of your car where the major ammount of braking force is, you will benefit more from it than changing the rear calipers.
Tony
I want the better looking barkes as well as performance.
Cheers though.
11 December 2004, 05:07 PM
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Better looking barkes ??
To fit the 22b brakes will require changing the diff , shafts and hubs ect as they are all bigger , then you will struggle to find discs for replacements.
Did you know Godnspeed also do a 325mm disc and bell kit to fit your hubs and still retain the standard calipers ?
To fit the 22b brakes will require changing the diff , shafts and hubs ect as they are all bigger , then you will struggle to find discs for replacements.
Did you know Godnspeed also do a 325mm disc and bell kit to fit your hubs and still retain the standard calipers ?
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11 December 2004, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by awd wrx
Better looking barkes ??
To fit the 22b brakes will require changing the diff , shafts and hubs ect as they are all bigger , then you will struggle to find discs for replacements.
Did you know Godnspeed also do a 325mm disc and bell kit to fit your hubs and still retain the standard calipers ?
To fit the 22b brakes will require changing the diff , shafts and hubs ect as they are all bigger , then you will struggle to find discs for replacements.
Did you know Godnspeed also do a 325mm disc and bell kit to fit your hubs and still retain the standard calipers ?
I have seen the kit but still dont like the callipers to be honest and I definately want the 2 pots on the back. I will get them fitted even if I need to have parts made!!!(famous last words)
Might be a kit available soon for others doing the same if I can convince the old man to fabricate what is needed.
Thanks for the info.
14 December 2004, 11:20 AM
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Just found this company in US that do a conversion that retains the R160 diff.
http://www.rallispec.com/product-brake1.htm
They may sell you just the backing plate, worth a try.
http://www.rallispec.com/product-brake1.htm
They may sell you just the backing plate, worth a try.
14 December 2004, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave.K
Just found this company in US that do a conversion that retains the R160 diff.
http://www.rallispec.com/product-brake1.htm
They may sell you just the backing plate, worth a try.
http://www.rallispec.com/product-brake1.htm
They may sell you just the backing plate, worth a try.
Just found these also.
Brackets for 2 pots to fit 1 pot plates. Anyone seen them in the UK?
http://www.dspeed.co.jp/hard/index.html
Mods for all brake types. Looks like Legacy callipers and discs fit.
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=762
18 December 2004, 04:58 AM
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Wayne,
I've been looking into this lately for a MY98 too
I have found that the new age rear disks and calipers seem to be the easiest to fit.
The new age disks have a 170mm drum where as the Type r and 22b I believe have a 190mm drum. (the part the handbrake shoes grip!)
The MY98 has a 170mm drum, so the disks for the new age fit straight on
But the calipers will need the brackets like those in the "dspeed" link you posted above.
As you have the whole set up you should be able to fit the back plates from the 22b kit and use the bigger disk.
To change the back plate you will have to press the bearing out to split it from the hub and fit the 22b back plate and refit the bearings though I would advise new bearings if you've gone to this much trouble
Or have a bracket made to space the caliper out a further 10mm and use your standard back plates with 190mm disks.
If you use std back plates the stone gaurd will need to be trimmed/removed!!!!!
(It's spot welded to the back plate)
I hope that's clear
It is late/early
I've been looking into this lately for a MY98 too
I have found that the new age rear disks and calipers seem to be the easiest to fit.
The new age disks have a 170mm drum where as the Type r and 22b I believe have a 190mm drum. (the part the handbrake shoes grip!)
The MY98 has a 170mm drum, so the disks for the new age fit straight on
But the calipers will need the brackets like those in the "dspeed" link you posted above.
As you have the whole set up you should be able to fit the back plates from the 22b kit and use the bigger disk.
To change the back plate you will have to press the bearing out to split it from the hub and fit the 22b back plate and refit the bearings though I would advise new bearings if you've gone to this much trouble
Or have a bracket made to space the caliper out a further 10mm and use your standard back plates with 190mm disks.
If you use std back plates the stone gaurd will need to be trimmed/removed!!!!!
(It's spot welded to the back plate)
I hope that's clear
It is late/early
18 December 2004, 10:19 AM
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Now then fella.
I will definately take your advice on fitting the new bearings. I wont want to have to do the job twice!
I have spoken to Ian Godney about producing some brackets similar to the ones in the link to fit 2 pots to the standard backplates. He says he is looking into it at the moment. We will have to wait and see what the outcome is.
Cheers for you input mate,
Wayne.
PS When I do the job I am hoping to produce a step by step guide on the conversion, if it doesnt exist already?
I will definately take your advice on fitting the new bearings. I wont want to have to do the job twice!
I have spoken to Ian Godney about producing some brackets similar to the ones in the link to fit 2 pots to the standard backplates. He says he is looking into it at the moment. We will have to wait and see what the outcome is.
Cheers for you input mate,
Wayne.
PS When I do the job I am hoping to produce a step by step guide on the conversion, if it doesnt exist already?
24 December 2004, 04:03 PM
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24 December 2004, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dyney
Check my thread in Chassis on http://bbs.22b.com
I would be very interested if you could get the brackets fabricated. Thats as long as I havent fitted the 2 pots already!!
Cheers,
Wayne.
10 January 2005, 10:39 AM
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Iain,
As mentioned on the 22B thread if you need any measurements from the new age backplates then please let me know.
Oh - and you'd better be quick, they're going on tonight
Andrew...
As mentioned on the 22B thread if you need any measurements from the new age backplates then please let me know.
Oh - and you'd better be quick, they're going on tonight
Andrew...
10 January 2005, 03:45 PM
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Right Guys!!
I can get hold of some brackets from a US supplier that will allow the use of 2 pot callipers on the original backing plate. They are aluminium and look the dogs, not that that makes any difference.
If I buy 10 then it will be £190 per pair plus the shipping of around £8 per pair. Plus the import duty?
20 sets would be even cheaper!!
You would simply need to remove the splash guard and then get hold of the 290/18mm discs with a 170mm hand barke from the new age cars (non brembo).
Anyone interested?
Pics here. Ignore the ring, its for inserting into 190mm hand braked discs.
Godspeed in the US, not the UK.
http://www.godspeedinc.com/images/BremboRearkit1.jpg
I can get hold of some brackets from a US supplier that will allow the use of 2 pot callipers on the original backing plate. They are aluminium and look the dogs, not that that makes any difference.
If I buy 10 then it will be £190 per pair plus the shipping of around £8 per pair. Plus the import duty?
20 sets would be even cheaper!!
You would simply need to remove the splash guard and then get hold of the 290/18mm discs with a 170mm hand barke from the new age cars (non brembo).
Anyone interested?
Pics here. Ignore the ring, its for inserting into 190mm hand braked discs.
Godspeed in the US, not the UK.
http://www.godspeedinc.com/images/BremboRearkit1.jpg
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10 January 2005, 03:49 PM
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£200 for two brackets 
Iain... please say that if it can be done your's won't be as expensive as that!!!!!
Tony.
P.s what splash guard are we talking about. The front brakes have a guard there that can be removed, the rears tho i can only see the backing plates. If these are removed you have nothing to bolt the caliper too????
Iain... please say that if it can be done your's won't be as expensive as that!!!!!
Tony.
P.s what splash guard are we talking about. The front brakes have a guard there that can be removed, the rears tho i can only see the backing plates. If these are removed you have nothing to bolt the caliper too????
10 January 2005, 05:23 PM
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spot welded to the back plates in about 7-8 places there is a splash/stone guard, mthis needs to be removed or bent out the way to allow the bigger disks to fit
I hope mine will be less than £200 Will see in a couple of days.
I hope mine will be less than £200
Will see in a couple of days.
11 January 2005, 11:09 AM
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£200 could/should buy you complete new age WRX hubs/discs/calipers/pads/handbrake mech/cables/abs sensors etc, throw in 4-5hours of swearing and you're home
Oh, and you get the correct sized splash guards for free...
Oh, and you get the correct sized splash guards for free...
11 January 2005, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewC
£200 could/should buy you complete new age WRX hubs/discs/calipers/pads/handbrake mech/cables/abs sensors etc, throw in 4-5hours of swearing and you're home
Oh, and you get the correct sized splash guards for free...
Oh, and you get the correct sized splash guards for free...
Andrew,
Have you got them fitted?
Lucky b*&tard!
11 January 2005, 12:25 PM
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The rear adapter stuff is a little more than a couple of brackets.
Have a look on NASIOC. They supply adapters for the calipers but also a spacer to fit around the existing handbrake drum so the new disk is a snug fit. That's what the "bandy" things are in the piccies I suspect and that's probably where most of the £190 comes from.
J.
Have a look on NASIOC. They supply adapters for the calipers but also a spacer to fit around the existing handbrake drum so the new disk is a snug fit. That's what the "bandy" things are in the piccies I suspect and that's probably where most of the £190 comes from.
J.
11 January 2005, 12:32 PM
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Yes, me and Jim Litten did it last night, not a hard job but in the end quite time consuming with changing the handbrake cables which I'm not sure I would do again.
Not driven it yet, but it certainly looks better
Not driven it yet, but it certainly looks better
11 January 2005, 12:55 PM
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Vindaloo, the reducer band is only need if you use (Type R/RA) discs with 190mm drums, if you use the 170mm drum discs from a new age WRX then it is not needed.
Andrew...
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