some tyre advice please
25 December 2006, 02:00 AM
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some tyre advice please
first of all, id like to wish all a happy and fruitful christmas, and new year period. been on here since may, so this is my first scoobynet christmas.
now down to my question...
the tyres on my 99 t-plate uk turbo are running alarmingly low on tread, id say 2.5-3mm maximum, so im looking to get all 4 swapped after some cash comes my way around january 3rd.
i currently have pirelli p-zero nero 205/45/r17 tyres on, and they grip very well, considering the lack of tread on them. could anybody recommend the best tyres within a £350-400 budget (for all 4), that would be best for all year round use.
the car doesnt get driven on track etc (well not yet), but i sometimes give her beans on corners etc, no more than an average scoob owner.
also as i have 17s, would it maybe be better to go with 215 width instead of 205? is it possible to pop on these width tyres onto what i think are p1 alloys, oz racing 17" in a anthracite colour, not sure on the width of the alloys.
any help and advice is much appreciated, id like to slip on the best rubber within a reasonable budget, that obviously grip very well. tried a search to no avail on this one which suprised me a bit...
once again happy xmas and advice/recommendations muchly appreciated
andy
now down to my question...
the tyres on my 99 t-plate uk turbo are running alarmingly low on tread, id say 2.5-3mm maximum, so im looking to get all 4 swapped after some cash comes my way around january 3rd.
i currently have pirelli p-zero nero 205/45/r17 tyres on, and they grip very well, considering the lack of tread on them. could anybody recommend the best tyres within a £350-400 budget (for all 4), that would be best for all year round use.
the car doesnt get driven on track etc (well not yet), but i sometimes give her beans on corners etc, no more than an average scoob owner.
also as i have 17s, would it maybe be better to go with 215 width instead of 205? is it possible to pop on these width tyres onto what i think are p1 alloys, oz racing 17" in a anthracite colour, not sure on the width of the alloys.
any help and advice is much appreciated, id like to slip on the best rubber within a reasonable budget, that obviously grip very well. tried a search to no avail on this one which suprised me a bit...
once again happy xmas and advice/recommendations muchly appreciated
andy
25 December 2006, 02:10 AM
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Thought 215/40/17 wasss the corroct size for 17s neways.
Set of yoko prada 2s will costs you less than £3oo if you shop abot
this is the most cohereant anwser you'll get this side of crimb
Set of yoko prada 2s will costs you less than £3oo if you shop abot
this is the most cohereant anwser you'll get this side of crimb
25 December 2006, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark Man
Thought 215/40/17 wasss the corroct size for 17s neways.
Set of yoko prada 2s will costs you less than £3oo if you shop abot
this is the most cohereant anwser you'll get this side of crimb
Set of yoko prada 2s will costs you less than £3oo if you shop abot
this is the most cohereant anwser you'll get this side of crimb
im just looking around on 'net now at either yokos or pirellis. so many different brands and makes, cant make my mind up whats best for the car and my driving style!
25 December 2006, 03:51 AM
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ive just put some new tyres on my scoob.
used to have toyo T1S and was deciding between getting the T1R -they supposed to be better in the wet and the goodyear eagle F1 -recommended by lotsa people (v good in wet).
ive not had the f1's on for long so not sure how good they are yet but at the moment they certainly feel stickier and sharper.
i paid £312 for 4 eagle f1's!
the toyo's are about the same.
both come in 215/45/17.
used to have toyo T1S and was deciding between getting the T1R -they supposed to be better in the wet and the goodyear eagle F1 -recommended by lotsa people (v good in wet).
ive not had the f1's on for long so not sure how good they are yet but at the moment they certainly feel stickier and sharper.
i paid £312 for 4 eagle f1's!
the toyo's are about the same.
both come in 215/45/17.
25 December 2006, 06:07 AM
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I have 215/40/17 Toyo T1-Rs on the same P1 wheels and they fit fine. In fact better than fine as the rubber side wall sits a milimeter or two out from the rim which gives a just a little bit of extra protection from kerbing.
I've always kept the following info in my Palm Pilot from a Scoobynet long ago.
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Impreza (Classic) Tyres
The OEM 16x7in wheel comes with a 205/50x16 tyre. Wheel offset is 53mm.
Prodrive 17x7in wheels come with 205/45x17in Pirellis as they are their rally team sponsor. Wheel offset is 52mm. The tyre is nominally 0.8% larger circumference over OEM.
Most people fit 215/40x17 replacements as there is a much greater choice of good tyres in this size. It is nominally 1.2% smaller circumference.
A 215/45x17 tyre is nominally 2.3% larger circumference than 205/50x16.
Tyre sizes are nominal, not actual, and different brands can vary in width by 5mm or more on the same wheel. Fitting them to wider wheels, eg 7.5x17, will introduce further variation. When these factors are combined with after-market wheels with off-sets typically varying between 45mm and 52mm for Classic Scoobs, it explains why some people get rubbing on the outside rear arch while others don't.
The difference in circumference between a new tyre and a worn out tyre is less than 1%.
The SIDC faq is good, but not 100% correct and somewhat out of date, eg the Bridgestone SO-2pp has not been available for at least two years.
If you fit 215/40x17 tyres to a 17x7in wheel with an off-set between 50-52mm, you will not have any problems on a Classic. If you fit 215/45x17 to the same wheel (note the off-set) you will be okay with rubbing, but you will have eaten into the safety margin provided by the speedo by 2.3%. Check it with a Road Angel to find the exact difference at various speeds so you are not caught out.
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I've always kept the following info in my Palm Pilot from a Scoobynet long ago.
"
Impreza (Classic) Tyres
The OEM 16x7in wheel comes with a 205/50x16 tyre. Wheel offset is 53mm.
Prodrive 17x7in wheels come with 205/45x17in Pirellis as they are their rally team sponsor. Wheel offset is 52mm. The tyre is nominally 0.8% larger circumference over OEM.
Most people fit 215/40x17 replacements as there is a much greater choice of good tyres in this size. It is nominally 1.2% smaller circumference.
A 215/45x17 tyre is nominally 2.3% larger circumference than 205/50x16.
Tyre sizes are nominal, not actual, and different brands can vary in width by 5mm or more on the same wheel. Fitting them to wider wheels, eg 7.5x17, will introduce further variation. When these factors are combined with after-market wheels with off-sets typically varying between 45mm and 52mm for Classic Scoobs, it explains why some people get rubbing on the outside rear arch while others don't.
The difference in circumference between a new tyre and a worn out tyre is less than 1%.
The SIDC faq is good, but not 100% correct and somewhat out of date, eg the Bridgestone SO-2pp has not been available for at least two years.
If you fit 215/40x17 tyres to a 17x7in wheel with an off-set between 50-52mm, you will not have any problems on a Classic. If you fit 215/45x17 to the same wheel (note the off-set) you will be okay with rubbing, but you will have eaten into the safety margin provided by the speedo by 2.3%. Check it with a Road Angel to find the exact difference at various speeds so you are not caught out.
"
25 December 2006, 09:44 AM
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some useful info there. thanx for that, much appreciated buddy.
think i may either go for some pirellis, goodyear f1s or toyos... looking for good deals at the moment. well that and eating all my sweeties i got for xmas...
think i may either go for some pirellis, goodyear f1s or toyos... looking for good deals at the moment. well that and eating all my sweeties i got for xmas...
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Chocolate, got 4 225/50Z 17 Marshall tyres for £239.
Also got 4 STI Antrocite Alloys, special nuts & Key, all for £650 delivered.
BK Racing Limited UK - Alloy wheels. The UK's finest alloy wheel company. Wheels, Car accessories and high performance products
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Alan MaC
Also got 4 STI Antrocite Alloys, special nuts & Key, all for £650 delivered.
BK Racing Limited UK - Alloy wheels. The UK's finest alloy wheel company. Wheels, Car accessories and high performance products
Kind regards
Alan MaC
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25 December 2006, 01:19 PM
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With a scoob - you put average tyres on - dont pay enough attention to them etc etc.
Its a trip into the hedge backwards at some point. Esp with the good old Pirelli Hedgefinders.
F1s - Thats all you need to know. Excellent and mean you can get the most out of the car safely.
Make sure you get the right load rating. And as people have pointed out there is a correct size to stick to, to make sure the rolling circumference is correct.
The other thing is play arround with the presures to get a set up you feel comfortable with. This is abit of a dark art and each their own! Personaly I put a higher pressure in the fronts and lower pressure in the backs. I am always looking for more grip in the backs and less in the front, so when it lets go its going to be progressive understear. Unless you trail lift - brake etc to make the back lighten up.
Other people swear by Toyo - so another possible option.
Happy Christmas
Steve
Personaly I feel getting the tyres right is worth more than a heap of mods and getting the tyres wrong.
Its a trip into the hedge backwards at some point. Esp with the good old Pirelli Hedgefinders.
F1s - Thats all you need to know. Excellent and mean you can get the most out of the car safely.
Make sure you get the right load rating. And as people have pointed out there is a correct size to stick to, to make sure the rolling circumference is correct.
The other thing is play arround with the presures to get a set up you feel comfortable with. This is abit of a dark art and each their own! Personaly I put a higher pressure in the fronts and lower pressure in the backs. I am always looking for more grip in the backs and less in the front, so when it lets go its going to be progressive understear. Unless you trail lift - brake etc to make the back lighten up.
Other people swear by Toyo - so another possible option.
Happy Christmas
Steve
Personaly I feel getting the tyres right is worth more than a heap of mods and getting the tyres wrong.
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25 December 2006, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Whitehorn
With a scoob - you put average tyres on - dont pay enough attention to them etc etc.
Its a trip into the hedge backwards at some point. Esp with the good old Pirelli Hedgefinders.
F1s - Thats all you need to know. Excellent and mean you can get the most out of the car safely.
Make sure you get the right load rating. And as people have pointed out there is a correct size to stick to, to make sure the rolling circumference is correct.
The other thing is play arround with the presures to get a set up you feel comfortable with. This is abit of a dark art and each their own! Personaly I put a higher pressure in the fronts and lower pressure in the backs. I am always looking for more grip in the backs and less in the front, so when it lets go its going to be progressive understear. Unless you trail lift - brake etc to make the back lighten up.
Other people swear by Toyo - so another possible option.
Happy Christmas
Steve
Personaly I feel getting the tyres right is worth more than a heap of mods and getting the tyres wrong.
Its a trip into the hedge backwards at some point. Esp with the good old Pirelli Hedgefinders.
F1s - Thats all you need to know. Excellent and mean you can get the most out of the car safely.
Make sure you get the right load rating. And as people have pointed out there is a correct size to stick to, to make sure the rolling circumference is correct.
The other thing is play arround with the presures to get a set up you feel comfortable with. This is abit of a dark art and each their own! Personaly I put a higher pressure in the fronts and lower pressure in the backs. I am always looking for more grip in the backs and less in the front, so when it lets go its going to be progressive understear. Unless you trail lift - brake etc to make the back lighten up.
Other people swear by Toyo - so another possible option.
Happy Christmas
Steve
Personaly I feel getting the tyres right is worth more than a heap of mods and getting the tyres wrong.
eagle f1s and yokohama paradas are looking good. any ideas on a correct load rating??
andy
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Andy, the size i've always used on mine, is 215, 40 17's..... not 45's..... the 45's are for newage!!
I've used F1's, or Toyo's, and never had any issues with either....!!
Bargain here.... item no 280062395036 you know where...
I've used F1's, or Toyo's, and never had any issues with either....!!
Bargain here.... item no 280062395036 you know where...
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Originally Posted by RON
Andy, the size i've always used on mine, is 215, 40 17's..... not 45's..... the 45's are for newage!!
I've used F1's, or Toyo's, and never had any issues with either....!!
Bargain here.... item no 280062395036 you know where...
I've used F1's, or Toyo's, and never had any issues with either....!!
Bargain here.... item no 280062395036 you know where...
26 December 2006, 12:27 AM
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Andy
I looked into this at length 2 months ago and opted for Toyoa T1Rs. Extemely happy with them. Excellent in the wet and they have a reputation for standing up to the stresses of being on a Scoob v well !
If you do for Eagle F1's, ensure the load raing is sufficient - at least 87, preferrably 91. Otherwise they don't last long on Scoobs.
Andy Mc
PS Hope the hangover's not too bad !
I looked into this at length 2 months ago and opted for Toyoa T1Rs. Extemely happy with them. Excellent in the wet and they have a reputation for standing up to the stresses of being on a Scoob v well !
If you do for Eagle F1's, ensure the load raing is sufficient - at least 87, preferrably 91. Otherwise they don't last long on Scoobs.
Andy Mc
PS Hope the hangover's not too bad !
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215/45/17 will definately rub on a classic. Use either the size you have now, or 215/40/17.
Have tried Bridgestone s03's, Toyo t1-s's and Goodyear F1's on a classic.
Bridgestone S03 = noisey, jiggley ride, crap in the wet, wore out in 6K!
Toyo T1-S = Brilliant in the dry (so good infact that they practically killed my understeer!), ok in the wet, excellent ride, expect to get 10-15K out of them.... and they're cheap!
Goodyear F1 = Same as Toyo's but the outside edge does seem to wear quite quickly. A bit pricey too!
Getting some light weight Rota Boost alloys on Thursday. They're coming fitted with the Toyo T1-R tyre in 215/40/17.
Will let you know how they run once bedded in.
Have tried Bridgestone s03's, Toyo t1-s's and Goodyear F1's on a classic.
Bridgestone S03 = noisey, jiggley ride, crap in the wet, wore out in 6K!
Toyo T1-S = Brilliant in the dry (so good infact that they practically killed my understeer!), ok in the wet, excellent ride, expect to get 10-15K out of them.... and they're cheap!
Goodyear F1 = Same as Toyo's but the outside edge does seem to wear quite quickly. A bit pricey too!
Getting some light weight Rota Boost alloys on Thursday. They're coming fitted with the Toyo T1-R tyre in 215/40/17.
Will let you know how they run once bedded in.
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Originally Posted by chrispurvis100
215/45/17 will definately rub on a classic. Use either the size you have now, or 215/40/17.
Have tried Bridgestone s03's, Toyo t1-s's and Goodyear F1's on a classic.
Bridgestone S03 = noisey, jiggley ride, crap in the wet, wore out in 6K!
Toyo T1-S = Brilliant in the dry (so good infact that they practically killed my understeer!), ok in the wet, excellent ride, expect to get 10-15K out of them.... and they're cheap!
Goodyear F1 = Same as Toyo's but the outside edge does seem to wear quite quickly. A bit pricey too!
Getting some light weight Rota Boost alloys on Thursday. They're coming fitted with the Toyo T1-R tyre in 215/40/17.
Will let you know how they run once bedded in.
Have tried Bridgestone s03's, Toyo t1-s's and Goodyear F1's on a classic.
Bridgestone S03 = noisey, jiggley ride, crap in the wet, wore out in 6K!
Toyo T1-S = Brilliant in the dry (so good infact that they practically killed my understeer!), ok in the wet, excellent ride, expect to get 10-15K out of them.... and they're cheap!
Goodyear F1 = Same as Toyo's but the outside edge does seem to wear quite quickly. A bit pricey too!
Getting some light weight Rota Boost alloys on Thursday. They're coming fitted with the Toyo T1-R tyre in 215/40/17.
Will let you know how they run once bedded in.
andy
26 December 2006, 01:18 AM
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Well, I think you have to look at the 'full story' of what happened.
Road condition?
Experience?
Tyre pressures?
Were you concentrating?
Bad luck? (I believe you make your own luck!)
I have only ever had one 'moment' in a scoob. I was coming off a slip road that leads onto a very fast left hander. Easily flat at 70mph.... I was doing a bit more than that!
Was looking for the apex and applied full throttle way to early, causing the back end to 'step-out'!
Managed to catch it, but ended up running out to the right to avoid spinning, and ended up 'kissing' the kerb.
I was lucky not to cause injury to other motorists.
All that was damaged was my alloy wheel..... and my pride!
That was caused by my inexperience and stupidity...nothing else.
I think the only thing that helped me catch the car, was how predictable the tyres were (T1-R).
Sorry, carried on a bit there, but i have had 6 JD and cokes tonight!
Road condition?
Experience?
Tyre pressures?
Were you concentrating?
Bad luck? (I believe you make your own luck!)
I have only ever had one 'moment' in a scoob. I was coming off a slip road that leads onto a very fast left hander. Easily flat at 70mph.... I was doing a bit more than that!
Was looking for the apex and applied full throttle way to early, causing the back end to 'step-out'!
Managed to catch it, but ended up running out to the right to avoid spinning, and ended up 'kissing' the kerb.
I was lucky not to cause injury to other motorists.
All that was damaged was my alloy wheel..... and my pride!
That was caused by my inexperience and stupidity...nothing else.
I think the only thing that helped me catch the car, was how predictable the tyres were (T1-R).
Sorry, carried on a bit there, but i have had 6 JD and cokes tonight!
26 December 2006, 01:29 AM
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think it could be toyos. i think the lack of grip may have been down to either the fact they were not bedded in and i had to swervehard right on a soft right corner, causing bmw-esque oversteer to the rear end, putting me into a spin...
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Originally Posted by jasemac
I have used both yoko's and toyo both imho good
ring me with best price Andy see if i can beat it for ya..
ring me with best price Andy see if i can beat it for ya..
i found some toyos on ebay for £260 on special offer. 215/40/r17, but then id need to get them fitted too. do you offer that facility jase?
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